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Per model and with equal veterancy Royal engineers are slightly more durable than riflemen and vastly more durable than penals.

Vet 0 RE have 0.9 recieved accuracy, rifles have 0.97 and penals have 1.0.
Vet 3 RE have 0.59, rifles have 0.64 and penals have 0.85 (the lower the better)

This becomes even more pronounced when you factor in RE's access to Armour through the Anvil specialisation, too.

It's worth considering that Penals are a little more durable when it comes to explosives though, due to their extra man... and also that "TO THE LAST MAN!" provides an RA bonus to the squad as members are lost. I'm not actually sure how you'd calculate their EHP with that in mind, though.

Rangers are 5 men. They are only more durable per model, but not on a squad basis.

Are they even more durable per model when taking into account Shocks' Armour?

That's a great tip. Thanks

Personally, I think Volks are not bad and I don't need a buff. In the early to mid game you can dominate depending on your strategy and opponent. In Endgame these are cheap capping, meat shield, snaring, protection troops for me, while P4, ISG, Tiger, Obers push back the enemies.

And as was said above. With MP40 you can often win against elite troops.

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And to come back to the STG44 again. these would have to be between no update and MP40. And that's the problem in my opinion. They don't noticeably increase the DMG. Especially when it comes to long-range combat, you are now worse off. I also find the overlap with the SP very strange.

At every range except pretty much precisely 35 (units? What even IS "1" range in terms of actual distance exactly?) the Volk STG improves the squad's DPS over a K98. You really aren't worse off with STGs over unupgraded Volks in any realistic scenario.

I hate when UKF/USF is lumped up with SOVIETS. "Soviets have insane shit? Man screw the allies and their OP stuff"

As others have said, just a RA buff later is really all that's needed. They are pretty good meatshields, they have an insane burst window early and then fall off like a sack of bricks. If you want consistent infantry that don't have that burst window you can get fusiliers. I would like MG's to be buildable when I order a truck instead of build one so you can supplement your BO earlier but alas.

Also Kubel is dumb with micro, but I guess that's just a general light vehicle problem.

But, uh, Fusiliers have pretty much the same burst window as Volks. Their G43s are individually stronger than a Volk STG at (almost) any range, and they get three as opposed to the two that Volks get. (Coupled with the addition of a whole extra model) Fusiliers honestly have a /stronger/ burst window than Volks, while also scaling better into the lategame.



Seriously, just scrap the current STG upgrade, and replace it with some sort of "reserve" upgrade to make them better anvils for the Obersoldaten Hammer. Fusiliers simply act as better Volksgrenadiers; If Volks didn't have sandbags there would genuinely be no reason to produce a Volksgrenadier squad if you could just go GOD or Breakthrough and get Fusies.

You know, as one that love g43 grens, replacing rifle grenade with a standard grenade is probaly the biggest nerf you can do to the unit.

Really? I mean, G43 Grens are generally intended to fight at closer ranges/fight more on-the-move than LMG or VSL Grens, which a "standard" grenade ostensibly helps with, They're much faster to throw/more user-friendly than Rifle Grenades (Due to the RG's minimum range). Why do you consider it a massive nerf?


Incidentally: I had a thought as to what could be provided to some variation of Grenadiers, if an interesting new mechanic may be desired as a balancing mechanism for them; Rifle-grenade borne Incendiary or Blendkorper grenades, sharing a cooldown with, or outright replacing the regular rifle grenade. I'm not sure if they're exactly historically authentic, but there have been quite a few cases of that in the game already.

I don't like it either but that's the way it currently is. As Katitof said, a Kubel is probably the best way to skip a Volks into a stall for Obers.
The issue eith those is that their late power level is exactly what OKW needs, which fixes their cost and reinforcement in place. On the other hand you can't fully put their scaling into veterancy so that they can be buildable in the late game.
Earlier Obers must be toned down though, at which point they won't be worth the bleed anymore, especially not compared to STG Volks. Reducing the bleed is impossible because of their strong late game. So where should their place be? Early with too much bleed, or late when appropriate but you can't fit them into the build?
The only way to do it would be to increase the reinforcement cost with the MG upgrade. Or they need tp sacrifice their elite status, which would be bad for the faction as well

Well, there are a few ways that this could be done:

The simplest solution would be to give Obers a tiered upgrade. You might be able to purchase them after the first truck for (for the sake of argument, not an actual suggestion of cost) 290 mp, with a reinforcement cost of, say, 30. A corresponding reduction in strength (in the form of weaker rifles? Lower RA feels like it would defeat the point) comes with this.

Then, for a 50MP upgrade, they would receive their original power level, and original reinforcement cost of 36mp per. Presumably this could come when the Schwerer is placed, and squads built after this point are 340MP, and come "pre-upgraded", in case one needs to replace them for some reason. You may subsequently upgrade the squad with their MG34 as normal.

In this way you would be able to have access to Obers earlier, in order to allow them to vet up a little/fill in your infantry build, though at a power level that doesn't ruin the balance at that stage of the game.


Something similar is what I'd do with Volks, though in the opposite direction. The STG upgrade would ideally be replaced with an upgrade that reduces their bleed, and makes them more effective stalling troops.

I dont think peaple need to make more of an issue with volks than it is, sure their broken vet got toned down and now they might scale a little to bad lategame.


No need to change entire tech structre for a slight 5-10% acc or rec acc buff needed at vet 5

I think the Balance Team have decided that vet 4 and 5 can no longer be "combat" vet levels, they did just remove a combat bonus from Jaegers' vet 5, after all.

In any case, It's not just the vet that's the issue; their STG upgrade is a weird design by itself.