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Well I'm no expert either so maybe the camo nerf is warranted. But maybe since this is mostly a problem in Jaeger Infantry Doctrine, shouldn't the nerf mostly be applied to this commander specifically and not all of them?
Or would that be too complicated? Just a thought
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Also why not update the beta again for further testing of these last minute changes and so we can make more bug reports? The patch was rolled back anyway so I don't see the harm in it |
Raid Sections for Brits, Ostruppen Doctrine Buffs, and Sturmtiger changes have me the most nervous atm.
Well idk about the other stuff but... But you can count on Osttruppen |
Well, not for the camo nerf, I might have complained about that. I mean repair, satchels and smoke nades are nice, but on the other hand the doctrine no longer has an offmap now. It went from having a strong offmap that could take out anything static (stuka 50kg bomb) to an AT strafe that could take out mobile artillery to no longer having an offmap at all. Instead it has 3 recon options now in the same doctrine.
Fortified Armor now may be a bit better choice, it has no offmap either, but it has CP4, panzer tactician and hull down, all the tools that can improve your vehicles and reduce the damage they take. And while JA now relies on its Ele alone to deal damage, in FA you can hull down panthers (now super easily, thanks to no longer requiring infantry) to outrange allied TDs.
I see where you're coming from. Personally I like the change since I think it adds some level of improvement to your infantry's capabilities. But you're right... It no longer has a call-in besides aerial recon. Maybe they're looking to change the meta up a bit and like you said, encourage more people to use FA Doctrine, which as far as I'm aware, is a pretty unpopular commander currently
Also yeah the camo nerf is questionable |
I'm pretty sure it's the G43s combined with the offmap abilities that make Jaeger Infantry doctrine so popular, not the camo. I mean on the 3rd place we find Lightning War which also has G43s and stuka loiter, while the next commander with camo, Storm, is on the 14th place (1v1 ostheer).
If the partisans become meta, would their stealth be nerfed too? I mean AT partisan have assault camo (which means they can move around stealthed, unlike grenadiers that are only invisible while standing in cover) and a snare, as well as their very own AT weapon to deal enough damage for an engine critical.
Ya, JCS is very combat oriented, but it does provide recon, both passively with their insane sight range and actively with flares, as well as smoke nades. These abilities are otherwise not available, or at least not easily (you would need a mortar for smoke, which is not meta in 1v1).
On the other hand these are already available in Storm doctrine in the form of Stuka Smoke drop, that's one of the reason why I have been suggesting to add Stormtroopers instead.
One thing I do want to see tho regarding the JCS is a unique unit icon and portrait. Currently the JCS, JLI and Stormtroopers all share the same portrait.
Yeah, personally, I think JCS is fine as a 1 squad limit on the field and I think it has a good amount of utility and combat power. My opinion on this is unrelated to the camo nerf
In regards to the portrait, if you ever look at the match stats for JCS after a game, it shows a portrait of an Artillery Field Officer
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I saw some of the last minute changes to Jaeger Armour Doctrine, and while the removal of the anti-tank strafe is certainly a nerf, the addition of breakthrough package for pioneers and panzergrenadiers is a nice change, in my opinion  |
Not quite. That change didn't make it in but they did add sand bags to Ostruppen that you get through Relief Infantry- so in theory those Ostruppen are more viable now especially since they 100% get LMG. I think it will take some time to feel Ostruppen out since they got another early game nerf but they scale better. It might be better to build some mix of both Grens and Ostruppen in this patch...
Interesting. And thank you for the information on the latest change. That is good to know! So they are getting some of the buffs, but not all of them. Seems fair
Yes as I tried them in beta, in my opinion, Osttruppen seemed to synergy well working alongside LMG42 Grenadiers |
Ostruppen are basically the Whermact Version of Conscripts. Put them in cover and they will shine (Similar to Soviet Cons). The main difference is that Ostruppen are beyond useless without cover while Conscripts are still useful.
The biggest weakness is map design. If you are on a wide open map with no cover Ostruppen will suck major ass unless the enemy gives you time to build cover which is unlikely as Pioneer's take 1000 years to build sand bags.
Also Ostruppen are available in numerous commanders. Some of those decent while others are trash tier so it depends really.
Hey, did you see how when beta goes live Osttrupp can place sandbags no matter what at the start of a match? Also when they gain vet1 they can build defenses faster |
Yes I know it has been the meta but it is not meta for the camo most likely. It is the combination of light artillery barrage and stuka close air support to effectively counter everything that makes it strong. And even then, 20 range to get detected is HUGE compared to every other camo.
That does seem like a pretty big nerf. Especially since it's also going to impact camo on grenadiers in other commanders as well as the camo for JCS in Storm Doctrine, yes? If anything shouldn't the nerf maybe only go in effect for the one commander? |
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I'm leaning on the yes or the maybe option, but hopefully it's yes. |
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Please update the beta with the late changes that were made today that got rolled back, so the last minute changes can be tested, and so the beta can be further tested for bug fixing
A lot of these changes are excellent. Can't wait to see them finally go live |
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