...meaning that only 10%-30% of the total damage output is determined by the main gun for the T34, which makes sense considering that its MGs are so good.
the overall DPS curve was far from favorable for t34 as well. I brought up the DPS curve, because nobody bothers read AOE and scatter stats. Did it multiple times specifically for the Sherman, nobody cares.
This does not applies to you, but it is just straight up silly, when I mention that Sherman is actually a good AI tank, while comparing it to t34 and get slapped with statement that T34 is better. It was just a wtf moment for me, since it is the best stock medium in terms of dealing with infantry (AFAIK only vetter OKW P4J can compete) yet it just "at best a good deterrent vs mainline infantry"
The acrobatics that people perform to defend and downplay their fav factions are amazing. |
I think it would be better to argue against me using a usf perspective. The fact that you see t34 isn't relevant. Who here is building t34 to rid an area of entrenched wm? No one does that. You get a katty. t34 is good for pressure, once katty has done it's job. It's good for ram.
If you want to compare the t34 and the Sherman you can, but considering the infantry damage that you would do with HE rounds, it's kind of dumb to engage infantry with AP rounds. This is the story the data points won't tell anyone. What happens when that p4 shows up and you have a whole reload cycle to get back into ap mode? Now you are 2 shots down out 4 against a superior unit. T34 doesn't have the option to have this problem. It isn't a good comparison.
you just have to premeditate the rounds and don't yolo the armor, especially if you know that there is P4 roaming around, that's all. Actually you can't yolo the t34/76 either, because you need to roll premium luck to kill a P4.
Also both rounds are the best in its class. If SOV "Land Lease" had a M3A4 instead of 76mm, it would have been broken, imo. So I always was surprised that people still consider different ammo types as a disadvantage. |
Which doesn't contradict what I say. ...
have you even once played vs Scott build? |
Huh? T34/76 is cheaper and performs way better against infantry
that's just false. I completely disagree.
You're just contradicting yourself, sherman cost 20 fuel and 60 munition more than a T76 to be effective vs infantry then USF doesn't have stock access to rocket arty.
What are you talking about, even without .50 cal sherman is way better
That's just main cannon. Blue (1) is T34/76, orange (2) is Sherman HE. All vet 0 at range 30.
grey is KT, yellow is Pershing. Done via MMX tool "scatter this" |
Okay cool, so if my enemy is braindead and has absolutely no idea what "cover" means, then I have a chance. Thanks for the pro tip! 
And of course, there is no issue with Pathfinders. Almost every USF player right now picks Airborne commander and just builds 3-4 of them, because the models have such cool skins and voices. Thats the only reason and not their incredibly strong performance....
<-you
-> the context.
That's pretty far.
https://www.coh2.org/topic/109492/jp4-performance/post/879404 |
The sherman doesn't satisfy a role against axis meta, right now. Not in teams at least. Most axis players are leaning on their infantry superiority and back it up with dual at guns. An effective scott is just a way better option based on the way people are playing right now.
Not sure what are you talking about, because I main SOV and I always build t34/76. Double AT can be tricky, but doable. Ofc SOV have access to katy to punish the AT guns, but still, very effective in counter attacks, roaming, defending points etc and all things infantry killing related. |
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Everybody says like you have to dive seemingly harmless build with panthers...just to deal with a unit that dies from 3 hits, which often translates to a lot more hits, because panther will have to fire on the move, while the target is cheaper then a T34/76. Cheaper then a tank that is often used as throw away/cannon fodder, when things go south, or to trade for a slow heavy armor. The target is far from slow and has decent target size...
I'm all for a good Scott, but its it is way too good now. I guess the time will tell, but meta is already picked it up, because I see it almost every time on USF in top 200 2v2, while simultaneously I see no Shermans M4A3s. The fact that medium tank with arguably the best AOE in its class became rare on the 2v2 ladder, should say something. |
+1 Nerf the shit out of Elefant, Jagdtiger, scopes and Scott and im happy. 
+ 1 000 000 this is gold.
Edit: and if first two gonna get nerfed, I'm OK with nerfing AT overwatch. |
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It is very problematic to dive something that is faster that p4, dies from 3 shots and have smoke. Not meantioning that the map is faily short, so you can gtfo to your base, while AT and jackson wreck your armor. This is not a katy, my guy |
HOLO searchlight to see as much as his opponent maybe, its a stock unit, you don't even need a doctrine. Then a stuka to catch his team weapon which was the backbone of Messe strategy until having scott&Jackson.
earlier or later he the guy will build his comp and after that you are screwed.
And what about OST? Imo OST will have even more issues with that. They don't have reliable spotting options and sneaky 60 range TD to knock the Jackson out.
Also you can clearly hear the irritation in streamer's voice, since he encountered this type of thing before. |
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