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This thread is specifically for the discussion around the Soviets that took place in the WCS Stats thread before it was derailed by flaming and talk about Brit balance.

It seems most people universally agreed that the Soviets are too overtuned right now. I argued in the other thread that was mainly because the Soviets at present do not have any weakness or phase of vulnerability.

Penals have been almost completely phased out and replaced by Conscripts. That means Soviets usually start with four conscripts that allow them to take and hold large chunks of the maps. Guards or oorah cons effectively deal with light vehicles, so those don't work.

Then comes the T70, which is by far the biggest power spike in the game. In the past, when Penals were meta, that usually left Soviets vulnerable because they couldn't get a tank of their before the P4 hit the field. Nowdays though, with Conscripts being the new meta, a Soviets will usually tech t2 and get double Zis guns to hardcounter any Axis medium tank.

And then, of course, there is the IS2. Unlike Allied tank destroyers, which have enough range and penetration to reliably deal with Tigers (And King Tigers), Axis tank destroyers (StuG and JP4) don't have enough penetration to reliably deal with the IS2. The result is that you're almost forced to go Tiger, because the Panther can barely hold off the IS2, and is definitely outclassed when the IS2 hits vet 2.

The other issue is that 7 man cons are not just potent main line infantry, but also incredibly difficult to kill, while barely bleeding MP due to the reinforcement costs.

Which begs the question, how to fix the Soviets?

To be clear: This is about 1v1 and 2v2.

P47 under-performance? What?

Not surprised since Ostheer lategame was nerfed out of the game.

Panther is mediocre. Brummbär has no armor and range left. Panzerwerfer is strange design. That cuts the "premium" tier Ost was supposed to have otu of the game.

All while Soviets were buffed for the lategame (IS-2, Conscript lategame, KV buffs). Combine that with easier micro since the support weapons (especiall Zis and maxim) have better survivability and spammable cheap units and Sovs have pretty much every advantage in the game. Oh and Ostheer MG 42s don't turn fast enough.

Pretty much.

A Panther with HEAT rounds has same penetration value like a vet 3 Jackson or vet 2 SU85 IIRC... which means very high chance to pen IS2 frontal armor on top of +48 damage per shot (160 --> 208)

Which is a fair point, but while that works for OKW, it doesn't help Wehrmacht.

I would rather have a different approach:
Pg cost down to 280-300
Start with 2 ST44 and 2 k98 or 2 MP40
Can upgrade with 2 ST44
Can also upgrade with 1+1 shreck replacing the ST44

This is not a good idea.