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Thread: How are Infantrysections since patch?8 Oct 2019, 16:19 PM Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2019, 14:23 PMelchino7 What if: -Bolsters is made cheaper -Bolster occupies a weapon slot. -Bolster is made to be a mp based upgrade, not automatically granted. You can opt to have a 4 man squad with 2x weapons or 1x weapon and 5 man. -Make AT Rifle IS come vanilla as 5 man. You will always struggle if you don't address the elephant on the room. The issue at this point is that the nerf did not achieve the intended effect in making bolster a meaningful choice, but rather the opposite in that bolster is essentially a required upgrade now. The suggestion given does alleviate the issue of bolster acting as an overall delay in tech currently, but it still doesn't make the weapon rack/bolster tech decision a meaningful one as higher survivability pays higher dividend overall due to the cover mechanic. It will almost always be better to go with 5 man even at the cost of losing a weapon slot, and making it cheaper makes it an even more no-brainer. It would be an interesting exercise to test, but my feeling is that the solution maybe lies in other units. The nerf was warranted and I don't think it should be reverted, but how to shift the dependency on sections should be the goal. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: How's the post-patch Comet?3 Oct 2019, 10:45 AM Jump back to quoted post3 Oct 2019, 10:22 AMHannibal I'm interested in what people think of the new, buffed Comet since I did not have much time to play UKF lately. I'm happy that UKF should have a real choice in their premium tier and wanted to know what the current opinion is. Also please don't turn this into a general UKF and Tommy discussion It is starting to get to a place where one may consider going for it over the Churchill, but it misses more often than you expect and is surprisingly fragile. Considering it being a unit meant to be used aggressively in line with the Hammer doctrine, it doesn't perform up to its role due to its slow firing rate and low accuracy. At the moment it feels almost like a support tank for the cromwell to do the flanking, as it's much better due to its better mobility and smaller target size. Anti-infantry capability is dramatically improved however... when it lands after 3 or 4 misses... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: How are Infantrysections since patch?3 Oct 2019, 03:29 AM Jump back to quoted post3 Oct 2019, 03:13 AMT.R. Stormjäger For the first few minutes until you get bolster, then for 280mp you get 5 man squads. If you want to calculate it this way, you need to consider the reinforcement cost for the 5th model. So essentially any section squad built pre-bolster effectively costs 280 + 28 = 308 manpower. In terms of balance, I think the general feeling is that they are very close to being in the right place, but there are too many instances where they don't perform as intended in real in-game situations. Cost/build time tweak or in cover dps/RA tweak should be in order, but don't have to be drastic. With that said, the current performance target for sections has bigger implication that others have already touched upon. Commando or Royal Engineer performance should be looked at. One out of the box idea is maybe just make engineers 5 squad from the start and allow them to build heavy cover. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW Sector Assault needs to be fixed ASAP20 Dec 2018, 04:55 AM Jump back to quoted post19 Dec 2018, 19:45 PMelchino7 Suggesting things which are not feasible to implement doesn't move us forward. Welp, you keep making bad assumptions (see below). The problem with Sector assault is that it's the only loiter plane with a bombing run assigned to it (which i can think off at the moment). Issues which i addressed before. Any offmap which a big enough AoE can and will hit inside enemy base, specially when the base space if too close to a point or the base been really small. Edit: just tested it, and you can easily hit south spawn on Langreskaya with Air supremacy. It will get nerfed. The thing is to understand what and why it's happening and how to change it. Because for all that it matters, the old Air suppremacy was an "artillery" attack. Bombing attack on new Air supremacy doesn't lock down targets, it bombs a predefine space based on map layout. First of all, I am not the dev of the game, and there is no way for me to make a judgement of what is feasible or not for change. To attack me and accusing me of making assumptions when I am just reporting what I see in the game does not make for a constructive discussion. I agree that my suggestion for UI changes was not well thought through, because frankly speaking, my intention was only to suggest that the UI needs to match the mechanics at work, which it does not from a player's QOL perspective. Even if the UI does give the information, it is not given in a way that can easily be deciphered for players because it does not follow the conventions set by how other abilities behave. This brings me again to Air Supremacy. First of all, I know for a fact that this ability used to be able to drop bombs in enemy base due to it's large AOE, and I have used it for purpose as a brit player before. As far as I know, this no longer works since one of the patches pre GCS2. Maybe something has changed again due to the latest patch. I'd love to see a video of your test result. For clarity sake, I am not talking about bombs dropped on the edge of the base area if that is what you are referring to, as before you were able to cast this ability just outside the area and obliterate half of the base. This behavior, as well as other abilities like Concentration Barrage that allowed you to fire into base, were all considered to be broken and detrimental to QOL so they were all changed in one of the patches. This is not an assumption, but observation based on the games I played. I don't believe you have any reason to deceive so I will test this once I get back. The reason why I want to use Air supremacy as an example is because similar to sector assault, this is a highly potent ability with the potential to wipe the whole army with a single click (again something that is considered to be detrimental to competitive play by both balance team and the community). The reason why I don't have a problem with this is because the UI clearly indicates where the danger area is, and clearly indicates when the player is safe from the bombing run. The AOE of the bombing run is clearly defined (scatter around the edge of the circle is not big enough to be problematic), and the circle lasts until the bombing run occurs, and then disappears. Additionally, there is 0% of a bombing run happening after the circle disappears. To put it simply, a player can simply leave the circle, wait until explosion happens, and come back into the circle to avoid it. Sector Assault's UI can not be interpreted like this due to the tracking mechanic, and the undefined nature of when the bombing run actually occurs, and where it occurs. Not only does the bombing have the potential to occur anywhere on the map, it can happen even AFTER the circle has disappeared. The way this ability requires the player to interpret UI information in a completely different manner to other abilities is confusing and detrimental to the game. With that said, I can give a new change proposal because it is clear you are more concerned about semantics rather than intent. This ability needs clear indication of when the tracking phase starts and ends, and it needs to clearly indicate where the danger area is when the bombing run occurs. This can be done by: 1) Change the ability so that it is applied to a map sector (as the name suggests), so that during the tracking phase, the affected sector is highlighted on the minimap, and units within the sector is subject to tracking. AOE circle is not displayed here. 2) If a unit was tracked, and a bombing run is initiated, the destination of the bombing run is marked via an AOE circle indicator before the bomb is dropped. With this change, as OP as the locked on nature of the bombing run is, this makes it manageable. Again, I don't know if this is feasible or not because I am not the dev, but I am not suggesting addition of any mechanic that is not already in the game, so based on the information I have, it seems possible. Lastly, the kind of attitude shown by the vets here makes it pretty clear why people are reluctant to give feedback. I understand there is a problem with people who don't understand the game participating in balance discussions, but to expect people to know information they have no way of obtaining aside from being involved working with the devs is not how to encourage constructive discussion. This is a sure-fire way to drive away even qualified people from contributing. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: All Oberkommando commanders are ridiculous part 1- Overwatch20 Dec 2018, 03:43 AM Jump back to quoted post18 Dec 2018, 03:26 AMThamor They need to spend a lot of ammo to get the sniper rifle upgrade, so no stg volks early --> no mines early. L2P issue for this. This is again just basic whine from allied fanboys, play more games, change tactics if you see Jaegers, play better =) I never said they are OP or require a change. I am simply saying that as an OKW player, I find this unit to be very high performing compared to what I have at disposal when I play other factions. This is my conclusion after L2P. If I didn't L2P, I would have said this unit sucks and is useless. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Valentine is still shit19 Dec 2018, 15:21 PM While Valentine comes rather late to counter very early light vehicles, I don't think that takes away from the performance of the unit itself. I think this unit's speed, high rate of fire and effectiveness to both infantry/armor, and ability to tank snare attempts, makes it one of the most unique and high performing units in the game. Albeit a bit RNG depedent, two of these things absolutely obliterates infantry in the right situation. While it's anti-tank performance is not that great when operating solo, it has very good synergy with any dedicated AT units, especially AT guns. It can provide vision, block pathing, and can easily flank rear armor due to how fast it is. Valentine spam is arguably a very viable meta. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW Sector Assault needs to be fixed ASAP19 Dec 2018, 14:34 PM Jump back to quoted post19 Dec 2018, 10:46 AMelchino7 Again, this is how ALL LOITER PLANES work in this game. You are asking for a change which is not feasible (IMO) since this is how it has been working for 5 years since the release of the game. The UI can cause frustrations but it's something players need to learn. It applies to all components of this game. Think about how scatter works with barrage type abilities (which can and will most of the time overshoot from the designated area at max range or how you can use attack ground to bypass max range targeting on ballistic weapons. Another example: snares. You just need to be in on targeting range, in order to use them. Even when vehicles darts away at max speed, the projectile will chase it down. This is not how the game works. Let me explain. -IL2, AT Stuka, P47, Typhoons, etc. don't show which unit they are targeting. This also applies to any if not all offmaps. The only queue you have is the area on which the targeting begins. Be it by the initial flares or the circle area. -As i said before all loiter planes will chase you down till the end of times. The difference comes from either the accuracy or the speed at which they do so. From most vids i've seen is that players enter in a false sense of "safety" which makes them stop their units. I was simply answering your question on how I would change the UI to make it less misleading. I understand how the game works, as well as how loiter usually behaves. You don't have to repeat yourself. The problem with sector assault is that even though mechanically it behaves the same as other loiters, it doesn't "feel" that way in game due to the potency of the bombing run. Other abilities might wipe a single unit even when it behaves unpredictably, but sector assault has the potential to wipe the whole army in an instant. On top of that, it breaks one of the "rules" in that AOE bombing run abilities should not be able to be dropped inside the base, especially without vision. I know that the ability itself can't be used inside the base, but in practice, not only does the bombing run happen in base, it can happen even when the ability is used somewhere else on the map. This also happens without any indication as to how to evade it for the affected player. We have seen other loiter abilities get nerfed over the years for this same reason. Why should sector assault get special treatment when it's the worst offender in being detrimental to the game? Especially when it is an ability that the balance team deemed to be broken mechanically and it's removal was proposed. No one is asking for the UI or loiter mechanics to be changed across the board, people are suggesting that this one ability gets looked at. Bomb dropping mechanics was fixed for Brits' Air Supremacy so that bombs are not dropped in the base, so it is hard to see why the same can't be done. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: OKW Sector Assault needs to be fixed ASAP19 Dec 2018, 08:54 AM Jump back to quoted post19 Dec 2018, 07:57 AMferwiner If the UI is misleading, how would you modify it to include that sort of information? The ability uses only one range - the range of target acquisition. The attack is not limited in range. So you can't really show more than just the target acquisition range in the UI. With the small bit of knowledge about how the ability works, the UI is crystal clear in this case, at least in my opionion. If the ability is working as intended, and it has 2 stages, the UI should have 2 stages. First stage would work as it currently does. Once it enters second stage, it should no longer show the large circle, but display the unit that is being targeted, either by highlighting, or show a blip on the map. Another possibility is to simply show exactly where the bomb will be dropped, as is the case with abilities like Air Supremacy with the Brits. Other abilities do things like highlighting the map to show you exactly where potential attack comes in to let the user manage RNG. Sector assault as it stands does not do a good job of this. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: OKW Sector Assault needs to be fixed ASAP19 Dec 2018, 07:52 AM Jump back to quoted post17 Dec 2018, 19:23 PMelchino7 Let's make some things clear which even after 5 years it doesn't seem like it. Loiter planes have 2 phases. Tracking and attacking. Tracking: UI bugs aside, the plane will loiter around looking for targets inside the circle. Once it identifies a viable target, it will go to the 2nd phase. Attacking: whatever the target position is (inside or outside the circle), the plane will proceed to strafe it. In both cases, you can see clearly in the minimap how the plane goes outside the circle in a straight line to start the strafing attack. In the first case, it goes for the AT gun and in the 2nd case it's the Pershing. PD: just in case, i'm not emitting any type of balance opinion about it, even if it looks ridiculous. Just clarifying what is happening. Knowing what happens exactly doesn't excuse the idea that this ability is detrimental to the game in it's current state. If the ability is working as intended, then the UI is misleading and causes frustrations. If the ability is not working as intended, it is broken and needs to be fixed. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: COMMANDER REVAMP LIVE - BUG REPORTING19 Dec 2018, 07:43 AM Jump back to quoted post19 Dec 2018, 00:03 AMmadin2 Sexton and Valentine still share the same barrage counter I don't think it shares the counter. It is even worse, that the Valentine barrage command (concentrated fire) does nothing at all except expending the ammo. Even if the Sexton is not in cool-down, the command does not trigger it to fire. In: Lobby