Again, like i said "internal documents for engineers" that report very limited testing of battle worn equipment by foreigners, with no mantainance whatsoever of barrel or shells and without a single word on the condition of the ammo batch, using a criteria that has been ditched because considered inaccurate since cold war, by a blog run by a russian nationalist that fail to actually show proper sources to his readers in the comment section.
But you can't possibly see any issue in this.
Instead every other source but old russian test using a criteria not EVEN MODERN DAY RUSSIA USES are wrong and humanity elected as golden standard for penetration the wrong criteria...obviously...
What the heck are you talking about, Russian army still uses different penetration standards, you still cant directly compare values between NATO and Russian/Soviet ammo
Furthermore, it not only German AT guns were tested but also British and US, those showed far less pen by Russian criteria... let me guess, Russians used scravenged ammo and terribly worn-down barrels too when they performed these tests? |
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You're in severe wehraboo denial man, this data shows how German uber-guns were actually only uber on paper. Claiming "it's biased" when it was internal document for engineers is hilarious |
Here in some the data with Russian penetration standards, all relevant guns are there aside of Firefly and Shermans 76mm. Its in Russian but you still can easily figure out guns by caliber.
Those are actual realistic values guns had in real life not "it might pen 50% at this range"
http://tankarchives.blogspot.com/2013/03/penetration.html |
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And one more thing, penetration standarts were extemely lax on what is considered a "penetration" during WW2 in Germany and US/Britain, USSR had a certified penetration standards, when you convert to those you'll realize that German 75mm on P4 and Stugs actually struggled on distances 500-1000m meters vs T-34.
Penetrating enemy tank on paper which has 50% penetration standard is quite different than doing it in real life. |
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My point is, it wasnt different from Sherman pen which you claimed it to be, and I'm talking about actual pak40 not tank version on P4/Stug, which proves my point, normal AT gun with same caliber could not punch through hull of T-34 while gun with longer length and high velocity could, meaning that point "lol its overmatched 45mm" is invalid
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I'l telling you that 75mm overmatching 45mm and 122m overmatching 80mm didnt mean crap if shell didnt have enough velocity to pentrate anyway. Pak40 caliber overmatched 45mm, It still could not penetrate.
I'm not going to bring you anything, just googling it will show you list of shells with penetration tables in less than minute
Protip: BR-350A is early war shell
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You realize there are several AP shells for 76mm? You used pen data from early war shells.
Overmatching is irrelevant, wast majority of German tanks didnt have 88mm guns, most of them were either long or mid lengh 75mm, these werent enough to make 45mm obsolete it didnt work like that. Pak40 75mm couldnt punch through that 45mm despite overmatching it, heck, even IS-2 could not punch through Panther hulls depite with overmatch untill it recieved ammo with blunt shaped nose to help with sloping |
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You have no idea what you're even talking about, overmatching is only relevant for deflection shots and ww2 era shells had worse penetration against highly sloped armor, in reality these 45mm were harder to punch through than 100m flat for shells of those period.
As for T-34, you're utterly clueless - you're comparing early war ammunition for 76mm against mid war german tanks, 76mm on T-34 was actually better than Shermans 75mm, it had worse ammo throughout the war, but even with inferior ammo it reached same pen with mid-war shells
learn the basics before bringing in IRL stats on tanks
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T-34 armor was far better than P4, P4 had 50mm turret and flat 80mm frontal hull, T-34 sloped 45mm was better than Tigers flat 100m. T-34 does not even remotely perform how it was in real life in comparison to P4 and Shermans. And 75mm Shermans armor penetration was exact same as 76mm on T-34 IRL |
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What are the stats of HVAP rounds it fires? Do veterancy bonuses affect HVAP? It's not clear in patchnotes |
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