Okay, we're just going in circles with Centaurs now. It's only the matter of time before people start abusing/spamming Ostwind same way they did JLI, then we'll see whether or not I was right about it
the supposed op anti LV and anti tank with op AI lost to 2 lv ? what's this kir ? how can it be ?and unlike the ostwind vs t 34 the 2 aec cost almost the same as the ostwind while coming earlier
My point was is that Ostwind is anti-everything. I never claimed it's best anti-tank unit there is. I pointed out it's ridiculous for it's timing and cost and outright game ending if you and your teammates dont prepare Ostwind rush right now. And thats a tier 3 same fuel cost as single T-34.
Two Ostwinds vs 1 t34 is already 180 fuel vs 90. So you cant all of the sudden decide that equivalent numbers matter when you dont like where the conversation is going
What if it's a team game and teammate gone T-70? So you should automatically lose and /l out of match because your teammates didnt prepare couple of Ostwinds? Soviets can do the same to an extent, but that requires doctrinal KV-8, tier 4 and alot more fuel to pull game-ending rushes like that
No, we are clearly only testing scenarios in which the T-34 player has 0 micro skills and has no other units or defenses.
And of course Ostwinds dont come along with Pgrens with schrecks that can zone T-34s or Paks behind them, not allowing to T-34 to engage in first place? Zis for example gets shredded in seconds by Ostwinds and is not much of a defence against Ostwind spam
So you just proved what I said? Even in that video when RNG was on T-34 side and every shot on the move hit Ostwinds, they still won. In fact it would be even easier win you just stopped second Ostwind forcing T-34 to spin, it would be much clearer victory
You don't need to move them. The Ostwinds usually lose even when stationary.
They can win, but they have to be super lucky on the penetration rolls.
They attack fast enough that even if T-34 pens them every shot (which is not even guaranteed) Ostwinds are the ones who usually win, one of them standing alive
And now here is a video I just recorded of two Ostwinds doing almost nothing to a T-34, while moving, across half the map. Hope you can handle this.
Now try that test on an actual map with buildings and forest, that T-34 would start spinning in circles after first couple of seconds allowing Ostwinds to bumrush it , assuming they wont just flank it in first place
but if centuar beats ost shouldn't by kir logic be not only a thermonuclear bomb but a black hole bomb ?
i guess ignoring everything other say and only pushing ur point through is ur only way
I have no idea what you're trying to prove. I compared 2 Ostwinds vs T-34 to 2 Centaurs vs P4. I never compared them directly, you're the only one here trying to disprove something that I never even said or claimed
Nope, I just agree with these posts. Also it was 180 fuel vs 90, I really dont think its the end of the world:
How about instead of giving me attitude about what you think I've missed, you just explain your point of view without being rude
These posts imply T-34 should be used to kite 2 Ostwinds, thats an absurd suggestion which in many cases impossible if you're defending side, leaving Ostwinds to shred infantry in seconds while schreckblob or even simple Grenadiers could move forward and threaten with snare not allowing T-34 to re-engage in first place. Here's the bottom line: Two Ostwind killing a medium tank without taking casualties is ridiculous and it shows how overbuffed Ostwind is. Just like JLI it became brain-dead A-move unit that counter units that supposed to counter them.
Are you missing the title of this thread? Its about Ostwind vs. Vehicles. The buffs were very strong against infantry, but against tanks a 23% chance of penetrating the weakest medium in the game is not "strong". If you think it is, I dont know what to tell you. That means it fails to pen 3/4 shots regularly, shots which only do 40 damage to begin with....
Did you miss the very first video where 2 Ostwinds wreck T-34 without casualties? You think thats perfectly normal? The reason it's wrecking T-34 is because it shoots twice faster now. Now that it shoots 2x amount of times it's literally 2x stronger against *everything*
Ostwind is turned into better Brummbar at this point, whats the point of getting slow and turretless Brumm which cant chase enemy squads down or fight tanks when you can get Ostwind instead?