Profile of Sander93

Wait a second. Why are you trying to replace tactical movement (Which fits the "Grand Offensive theme") in order to keep the double shrecks? People didn't choose Tank Hunter Tactics for a reason.

Because replacing Tactical Movement with an assault type ability that doesn't involve sprinting would allow to keep the best of both worlds. About 49% of people still voted for Panzerschrecks after all.

And an assault ability (Tactical Movement) wasn't in the original proposal anyway. It was added to replace the proposed HEAT shells (would've been problematic with Tiger and doctrine power level) in the spirit of the offensive theme. Any assault type ability can fit that spot.

I still think it'd be better to give OKW the Tiger Ace and put something else entirely in Strategic Reserves.

The Tiger Ace (in its current state) would have a much less distinguishable role over the King Tiger than the regular Tiger has. The TA has 1280 hitpoints (same as KT), less mobility than the Tiger and it's nearly as expensive as the King Tiger. It even has the Spearhead ability.

The regular Tiger on the other hand is a cheaper, less tanky but more mobile/aggressive alternative to the King Tiger that stands out much more.

I don't think Falls are any good and they don't need nerfing, or we'd see them being used even less than they are now. If dropping behind enemy lines and wiping things on retreat is a problem they can spawn with Kar 98Ks and upgrade to the FG 42s for free. No need to put an ammunition cost on there.


Fallschirmjager are pretty good at all ranges which means that within the OKW roster, they don't really have a place IMO. Doesn't help that they are in a pretty meh doctrine either or that their weapon DPS profile takes a -25% hit whenever a model drops.

At mid range, STG Volks are probably more cost effective.
At long range, LMG Obers are much better for roughly the same cost.
At close range, IR STG Obers are much better for roughly the same cost.

Falls only really stand out at anything when they're using Valiant Assault.

You'll have to name them.

• Volks were way cheaper (235MP and 5 popcap) and had way better RA (with vet) and better vet in general than Panzerfusiliers;

• Volks back then had no other upgrades and there was nothing else in stock OKW roster to spend munitions on (except Obers);

• Back then Volks got crazy amounts of experience from hitting vehicles which allowed them to vet up really fast, further increasing their remaining AI. That's no longer the case;

• There were no other strategic choices, unlike now where one must choose between AI or AT upgrades;

• Panzerfusiliers with 2x Schrecks have practically no AI DPS left, unlike Volks Schrecks that still had pretty decent AI. One Allied stock mainline infantry squad has a good chance at fighting off up to three Panzerschreck Panzerfusiliers squads, an upgraded squad will do so with ease;

• Back then, Panzerschrecks had a decent chance to snipe an infantry model (especially with all the accuracy bonusses Volks got from vet back then), further increasing Schrecked Volks' AI power. Now Panzerschrecks have been adjusted to deal barely any damage to infantry at all (30 damage on a direct hit, which is unlikely because of a 0.5 accuracy modifier versus infantry);

• Panzerfusiliers are super munitions heavy with 90 MU and 120 MU upgrades;

• The doctrine itself is pretty munitions heavy.

You need 2 squads to ensure a wipe on 90% of tanks Allied can field or to force instant retreat for those medium.

Panzerschrecks deal 120 damage per shot. Assuming all four shots connect, which is unlikely at longer ranges, it will do a maximum of 480 alpha damage which is 160 damage short of killing a medium tank (640 HP). You need 6 shots to kill one so either you'd need three squads (840 manpower and 360 munitions) and very good RNG or you need to get follow up shots.

If we're just looking at forcing off tanks, two Panzerfusiliers with Panzerschrecks cost more than two Royal Engineers with 4x PIATs which is also enough to force off any Axis medium tank, so I don't really see how that's an argument. It's their job to force off tanks, that's why you'd bring infantry to counter them. And unlike the old Schrecked Volksgrenadiers, Schrecked Panzerfusiliers don't stand a chance against enemy infantry. Their AI is so poor they lose to Rear Echelon Troops.


I'm not saying Panzerfusilier Panzerschreck blobs are not a concern. That's why both the passive vet and the doctrinal sprint will likely be replaced preemptively. But I do think most people are overestimating their effectiveness, especially because comparing them to the old Volksgrenadiers is wrong.

What does a recon package have to do with riegel mines?

I mean putting a pretty good commander ability on a single unit that not all people use (as with Riegel Mines on 251), which then might end up almost never getting used.


What do you think about making the Observation Post 150-200MP, Ostheer wooden bunker durability, big sight range (~60) but with Pathfinder Beacon-like camouflage (and the timed recon/flare abilities)?

It isn't hard to get up to vet 3, impossible to make it to vet 4, unthinkable to make it to vet 5

That shouldn't be true.
I don't know the exact numbers but the requirements for OKW Tiger should be something like:
100 / 200 / 300 / 320 / 350