Profile of GI John 412

Exactly, I dont know what Danes words were, but if hes saying Bren was too accurate for section level suppresion tool, hes probably right. Its not nessecarily a wrong comment, maybe just not in context.

There is no such thing as a gun that is “too accurate”.

Suppressive fire isn’t something achieved through volume alone, that volume must also be on target. A BREN makes up for its lower capacity magazines by having higher accuracy and a lower rate of fire, allowing you to conserve ammo while still putting rounds down range.

BRENs aren’t too accurate, they are more accurate than a lot of other LMGs, but that is never a bad thing.

And like I said before, if you really want to open up your pattern a bit for some reason, you just loosen your grip and that makes your gun wiggle around more.

Wow. Could you be any more stereotypical American?

Yes.

He could be me.

I’m literally in the armory on base right now surrounded by M16A4s, M240Bs, M9s and other such Marine Corps goodies.

Semper Fucking Fi

IMHO theme of thread looks like...person agression. Fake news are when you know about something true, but say only lie. WW2 too big theme to know everything. Maybe rename them as "Myths about small arms in WW2"?

It was really more of a joke in the title about people calling things “fake news”. I was being sarcastic. Lol

First I would like to say that Dane does a good job being entertaining and is an asset to the community. I have watched his casts for many years and the fact that I can measure my viewership of his content in years says a lot about his longevity.

That being said, I have watched and realized with growing concern that he knows little to nothing about small arms. So below is a list of factual errors considering small arms that I would like to correct in order to dispel some of the accidental misinformation spread by a well meaning but less than experienced friend when it comes to firearms.

1. Riflegrenades. US rifle grenades came in many forms in WWII, but all of them used an attachable device that must be fitted to the rifle prior to use. These launchers were developed and issued on a very large scale to US troops, usually with two being present in a US squad of 12 men, but not always fitted to the rifles all the time. To use the rifle grenade, you attach the launcher to the rifle either an M1, M7 or M8 launcher for the M1903 Springfield, M1 Garand or M1 Carbine respectively. Then the grenade is placed on the launcher and a special grenade launching blank was placed in the chamber. Fired either from the shoulder or from the ground, and depending on grenade type and position on the launcher and angle of fire, these grenades could be fired anywhere from 25- 300 yards with good accuracy. The AT riflegrenade had nearly identical anti armor penetration when compared to the 2.36 inch bazooka rocket. M1 garands when fitted with the rifle grenade launcher could still feed and fire regular ammunition, but required manually cycling of the bolt for each shot due to the gas system being disabled by a vent that is activated by attaching the launcher to the rifle. This was done to prevent damage to the gas system from the extra gas pressure generated by the rifle grenade. The M1 carbine however was unaffected due to its totally different gas system and would function normally with or without the M8 launcher attached. As such it is often seen in photographs with the launcher on the rifle even when not in use. British riflegrenades used a cup launcher very similar to the German one, and not the grenade on a stick thing he claims. That was from early WWI and was quickly replaced because it was crap. The French actually have the best Rifle grenade launching systems in case you were wondering being an early adopter and innovator of the weapon ranging from WWI until the present day.

2. M1 Garands can eject a partially fired clip. It’s easy. You pull the bolt to the rear and push a button on the left side of the receiver and the clip pops out. Done.

3. Semi automatic rifles are not less accurate or less powerful than bolt action rifles. While bolt action rifles can be very accurate, the ones issued in WWII were on average able to hold a four inch group at 100 yards. Each army had different standards for testing rifles and rejected anything that didn’t meet their standards, but when you compare the standards of Germany, the US and England, they all end up being about the same standard of about 4 minutes of angle which is about 4 inch groups at 100 yards. This is not impressive by any means, but is suitable for a combat rifle and when combined with good marksmanship training and good sights and ammunition, will produce hits on a man sized target out to 500 yards, which is well beyond the ranges usually fought at. The notion that semi automatic rifles are less powerful is silly, as the amount of energy generated by a full power battle rifle round such as .303 British, 30-06 M2 ball or 7.92x57mm is so much that the amount to cycle the operating system is less than 1% of the total energy of the round fired.

4. BREN guns were not “too accurate”. The British standard of accuracy on a BREN gun was actually higher than that of their standard for a bolt action rifle and they wanted their BRENs to be highly accurate. The accuracy of the BREN was prized by Tommies as it allowed them to be very effective at suppressing enemy troopers with accurate fire with fewer rounds. If less accuracy was desired for some reason, it was simple to just hold the gun more loosely and let it vibrate around, you don’t need a less accurate or worn out barrel to do this.

5. The M1 Garand “ping” from an ejecting empty clip was never used to as a cue to jump up and ambush anyone who had an empty gun. Not only is the noise of the clip very hard to hear during a firefight, but even if it was heard, reloading an M1 clip is so fast and easy that attempting to rush someone who had “pinged” would be akin to suicide. M1 Garand clips are a variation of the Austrian Manlicher type and they are much faster to use than Mauser style stripper clips. Both can be very fast, but with equal training, an M1 clip is faster.

6. The AK-47 is not based off of the Sturmgewer. It’s ammunition is heavily inspired by the German 8mm kurz, but the gun itself is not. The StG44 is a stamped sheet metal rifle with a short stroke gas piston design that uses a tilting bolt to lock, while the AK-47 is mostly milled (later AKMs would use more stampings) that uses a long stroke gas piston and a multi lug rotating bolt. The operating principles of the Kalashnikov are actually more like an upside down M1 Garand. AKs are great guns and they are a hybrid of some of the best guns that came before them, but takes very little from the StG44 family of weapons except the idea of a short cartridge.

Whew! That was fun. Anyone else wanna talk about the small arms in the CoH games? My passion for small arms history is matched only by my desire to teach and share that knowledge.

Guys! how about instead of losing time with a squad that is perfect fine we use our time to fix the damn P47s that cost 240 munis (on a faction that eats munis like candy) and are beyond useless?

Hrrrmmmm, seems fair and unbiased. Lol