I'll take unit diversity at the expense of a little realism.
Why not take both? As Butcher alrady said: There are so many tanks that could fit and would be new but instead we get old stuff (Pz 4, Wirbelwind) mixed with new historical inaccurate stuff
I didn't see the M3 Lee so far (perhaps I missed it, I saw someone mention that it is mentioned in the game files), I didn't see a Panzer 3 so far, I didn't see Kangaroos so far (the British also converted some Shermans into Kangaroos in Italy), I didn't see a 17pdr Achilles so far (don't know if they were used in Italy but seems likely since it was the second most common TD of the British in 1944)
There is enough new stuff that could be added. No need for historical inaccurate stuff (especially since I don't see how Black Prince could be balanced without turning it into something that is very similar to the normal Churchill anyways)
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On the one had it would be a shame if it would be removed entirely on the other hand it often is just a game winning dice roll that says "Garden you" to one side (just had a game where my enemies light vehicle got abandoned two times in a row)
Why not make it so that abandonment can happen but only under special circumstances like with M10 or Sturmtiger but that it will happen 100% in those cases?
Vehicle gets killed by other Tank, AT gun or AT rifle --> 0% chance of abandon
Vehicle is using a ability that gives it some extra speed for some time and it hits a mine --> 100% chance of abdanon |
i don't see why we're getting hung up on it, but not the chaffe for example. (Though personally I wouldn't care if it was gone, I'm guessing they added it to give a rival heavy for bongs)
Because the Chaffee was used in Italy and WW2. The Black Prince was not used in WW2 and thus also not used in Italy |
you Wehraboos
That moment when one gets called a Wehraboo for simply wanting WW2 tanks in a WW2 game (I pointed out numerous times that I do neither want E-100 nor Maus in game either)
Big Brain time
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Sorry, I misread your post, I thought you sourced from World Of Tanks.
Oh ok.
Footnotes are great sources; I used them as well. But what you said was, "According to Wikipedia." Next time stay clear of the source then.
Fair enough
Also, if I was not mistaken, OST was supposed to portrait 1943 german Wehrmacht. Ostwind was not even a thing back then.
I think originally it was supposed to be this way but there was no Panzerschreck in 1943 either and since the also is the IS 2 Version 44 (or whatever it is called) on the Soviet Side I assumed that it is supposed to be 1943 to 1945 |
Vampire halftracks didn't disrupt the allied supply train
the Luftwaffe did not drop fuel to the screwed Falaise pocket
SturmTigers didn't destroy swaths of allied vehicles
German infantry didn't make use of infrared searchlights
But now that an allied unit might make that stretch WOAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!! ALLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRM! comical.
Sdkfz 250 was used, it being able to disrupt supply line is a gameplay choice, Luftwaffe dropping supply is (if it really did not happen) ahistorical and should be avoided, Sturmtiger was used and did also destroy some Tanks, Night Vision / Infra Red was used
Black Prince was not used.
How is this so hard to get? |
You would be able to see IS-4, 5, or even 6 if the Germans were marching in the Soviet territory in 1945.
But they weren't |
Oh boy, another one who thinks they just learned a history lesson after playing a video game.
And another baseless claim by you
Also, you just argue somebody else using Wiki as a source.
Have you ever noticed those tiny little things called "footnotes" on Wikipedia? If any article has no sources then I won't use it (your linked Tank archives article has no sources for most parts either btw.). If it has then I don't see how it would be bad simply because "Wikipedia"
Here is a great article about T-150 (or object 150)
http://www.tankarchives.ca/2013/04/prototype-kvs.html
Ah yes. Tankarchives. The guy who claimed that Soviets only lost 1.15 times as much men as the axis.
Also even his article states that T-150 refers to the very first KV 3 prototype that was built ... and that it was lost at Leningrad.
So your own sources speak against you: No T-150s as there only was one and also no T 150 at Smolensk. Also the article makes it look like the T-150 was the only KV-3 ever built so no "KV-3s" either ... or rather no Kv 3s at all
Also, see the picture below. M-75 can penetrate 188 mm armor at 1000 meters. The one you mentioned is M-42, it is another 107mm gun, which has a shorter barrel.
Still less than Pak 44s 210 mms at 1000 meters at 30 ° though. Also (according to another Tankarchives Article) the M-75 did not even pass trial stage:
"Since the experience of modern war did not confirm the need for such guns to fight tanks, further work on the M-75 gun and its ammunition is considered unreasonable. Reporting on the above, I ask for your permission to cease all work on the 107 mm M-75 gun"
Go out and start another post complaining about Ostwind being in the OST faction in COH2.
You may not have noticed this but development of CoH2 is already done while CoH3s isn't. Also Ostwind was at least used at the eastern front unlike Black Prince |
Go back and read my post carefully. I am not saying just the phototypes, but almost all german newly implemented tanks in 1944 and 1945 in general.
Also, oh boy, this is for sure an "Axis v Allies" argument. Go back and read how many people are thinking it is fine to have JT, Ostwind, and Sturm Tiger in CoH2.
How is this:
Jagdtiger: 70 produced, used from late 1944 to the end of the War, actually present at the Western Front
Sturmtiger: 18 built, used from late 1944 to the end of the War, actually present at the Western Front
Ostwind: 44 built, one prototype used during the battle of France, one platoon equipped with Ostwinds took part during Operation Southwind, also took part at the offensive at lake Balaton
for you the same as this:
Black Prince: 6 built, never used
Also there are lots of people that complain about Ostwind or Sturmtiger ... |
Hey man, the fact that you mentioned way more german phototypes than the allies' just clearly indicated you won't even ever start a post like this if there was Maus added into the game rather than the Black Prince.
No it doesn't. Stop bringing irrelevant ad Hominems into this discussion
Soviets also have sent out a lot of experimental tanks desperately during the early stage of war in very small numbers. Su-100-Y fought in the Battle of Smolensk, so did a few T-150s, Kv-3s, and, according to some official archives, one Kv-4.
I assume you have sources for those "official archives". Kv 4 did, as far as I know, not even enter prototype stage, also I can't find anything that is not World Of Tanks related about the so called T 150 or the Kv 3. And there was only one Su 100 Y ever built. It would make more sense than Black Prince since it apparently was at least used but still would be a joke if implemented
few M-75 107mm heavy AT guns were sent to the battle for a somewhat last-ditch reason. If you do not know the gun, which I think you don't, it is the Soviet version Pak44(not the 43/41) but instead built in 1940. Besides, T-100 and SMK also saw service(yes, service, not battleground trail) in the Winter war.
According to Wikipedia the 107 mm gun did have a penetration of 121 mm at point blank at 1.000 meters. That is far off from the Pak 44 and on par with a Panzer 4 that is using APCR rounds
And again ... only one SMK built. And what the garden does the Winter War have to do with the German-Russian Front ???
That is being said, stop complaining, so you may be able to see Maus in this game in the future.
"Stop complaining so you get to see stuff that you don't want to see". Ah yes ... |
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