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Thread: The maxim thread30 Oct 2020, 19:37 PM Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2020, 19:33 PMthedarkarmadillo It got glossed over so I'd like to resubmit for discussion the idea of longer range for the maxim. This puts it further away from the fight meaning further from harm and outside a flank less Likley to get deathlooped. It also gives it more time to suppress enemies assuming it's spotted for. Dial down the arc so it's not OP as hell of course. Kinda keeps it unique and also let's it be an "assault mg" by allowing it to be o fire on enemies without taking fire itself this may be an interesting change... it would mean that the maxim essentially functions as an anti machinegun machinegun... maybe we can go a step further and lower its setup time significantly then remove its suppression allowing it to work as a true DPS machinegun? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: an OKW and SOV balance question30 Oct 2020, 19:11 PM heres an interesting quirk of balance i thought of... ostheer currently has the top dog HMG in the game... this is intended as ostheer suffers from having the second worst line infantry ingame down there with conscripts though volks are slightly better... likwise UKF and USF line infantry... tommies and rifles respectively... significantly outclass all line infantry in the game however USF has no other earlygame support unit and is completely reliant on rifles while UKF tommies are slightly weaker than tommies however the UC carrier is intended to be its supporting unit.... what i do find odd is why SOV and OKW are both expected to "survive" with a conscript and volks in their primary opening yet OST is generally assumed to be unplayable without the MG42 and neither volk nor conscript is anywhere near as good as the USF riflemen or even the UKF tommy... now i understand that OST has to contend with USF and UKF which both have brutal line infantry to punish OST with.... but if thats the case then by virtue of equivalence SOV and OKW have neither machinegun nor line infantry nor any other unit to compensate for in the current meta... coincidentally this may be the reason for the piss poor performance of both SOV and OKW in the current meta though correlation may not imply causation in every case.... therefore it might be good to consider A. buffing conscripts and/or volks B. buffing the Maxim and/or Mg34 C. buffing some other unit in the earlygame phase in the SOV and OKW lineup (SOV sniper and/or kubel perhaps?) D. a mix of the above... agree or disagree? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Why Ostheer is OP30 Oct 2020, 18:53 PM Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2020, 18:50 PMT.R. Stormjäger Because 4man Grens cost 30mp per model and get absolutely rekt by Rifles and Sections in the early game. The exception is the sniper and 3 grens start with german infantry meta vs UKF which is dominant, but doesn’t work vs USF and Soviets. reinforce costs for grens are equivalent to that of conscripts... and yes grens do get rekt by rifles and IS... but so will volks and conscripts (if ever cons were to face them)... it might be wise to reevaluate the balance then as to why 2 of the factions ingame are uttery defenseless against the other 2 factions... even if one of them is in the same side... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Why Ostheer is OP30 Oct 2020, 18:43 PM Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2020, 18:38 PMPip Im not really sure how outmanoeuvring the OST MG is really any worse than any other sort of infantry manoeuvring, incidentally. because one mistake means GG for the most part... suppression is soo quick that there is quite literally no way you can poke in then poke out unlike when dueling an MG34 vickers or maxim... only the 50 cal and the DSHK have this potential... and the 50 cal is more expensive comes at a higher tech has lower arc and suffers from the deathloop (albeit a less severe version)... the DSHK is even more expensive is doctrinal has a much smaller arc and suffers badly from the deathloop... the MG42 simply takes all of the advantages of the MG34/vickers/maxim "class" and the advantages of the 50 cal/DSHK "class" it is easily the best machinegun in the game... and its supposed to compensate for "deficient infantry".... wait till they hear of conscripts.... just as a fun side note... its ironic that the primary contender and the former holder of the title of best machinegun is the current worst machinegun ingame... the maxim... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Why Ostheer is OP30 Oct 2020, 18:35 PM yeah the MG42 is a bit over the top compared to every other machinegun... but to be fair ostheer also suffers from having one of the worst line infantry in the game just slightly tailed by the conscript... what i do find odd is why SOV and OKW are both expected to "survive" with a conscript and volks opening while OST is generally assumed to be unplayable without the MG42... now i understand that OST has to contend with USF and UKF which both have brutal line infantry to punish OST with.... but if thats the case then i can only begin to imagine how trash OKW and SOV are compared to the 3 souped up factions and if thats the case maybe we should make the MG34 and the maxim MG42 clones to compensate... or maybe we can just nerf rifles infantry sections and MG42s... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The maxim thread30 Oct 2020, 17:33 PM Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2020, 17:24 PMPip I feel as though the Maxim's suppression is a little understated. It does generally suppress in approximately one burst, assuming a generic squad with no "anti-suppression" factors in play. Not as quickly as the MG42, of course, but it's hardly as night and day as people seem to make out. I don't think making it out to be weaker than it is in the suppression department is really all that useful. Its primary issue is the deathloop, which exacerbates suppression problems. According to Stein Grenadier's information https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1H5z6szCfhmAAnDprmgwLzc-viZg4HPhKZshNLErvnck/edit#gid=0 it also has a better suppression "Radius" and "Radius percent" than other HMGs... Though I'm not precisely sure what these numbers translate to. I assume suppression for squads surrounding the one thats being fired upon. yeah but a maxim`s suppression is soo bad that when approaching at a mildly at an oblique angle a volk can walk up to it and nade it... no other mg suffers from such a horrible fate... in fact the maxim is the only MG that cannot stop 2 volksgrenadiers... literally every other MG ingame can do so... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Sander's personal balance changes30 Oct 2020, 16:34 PM Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2020, 16:12 PMSpoof Ironically this will create greater balance issues because OKW will have it all. Some of the strongest light vehicles with Mechanized HQ and healing at the base. This is a bad idea. id guess it would render the BGHQ redundant... hmmm what if medics were moved to base then luchs and FHT were switched? Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2020, 16:12 PMSpoof Edit: I just reread Sander's 4 different versions. The one you're talking about where OKW gets all that stuff for 20 fuel is V4. I am against Sander's V4 changes. I rather prefer his V3 Battlegroup HQ change. glad youve read it... its preposterous isnt it? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: EFA halftracks late game30 Oct 2020, 16:28 PM Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2020, 12:04 PMKatitof So... it would promote human wave tactics.... for an army that won the war using human wave tactics? you know this isnt true.... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Sander's personal balance changes30 Oct 2020, 16:09 PM Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2020, 15:46 PMPip Im still advocating for considering making Medics an HQ upgrade, and allowing you to them move the medics to your Battlegroup if you build one (While also making them heal more effectively once the BG is built) Though without shuffling units around all this would do is make the BG even less attractive. +1 on this.. i feel this is the simplest and easiest solution without creating all those messy balance issues... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Sander's personal balance changes30 Oct 2020, 15:29 PM Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2020, 15:11 PMSpoof If you combine the cost of the truck itself and the HQ, it's 35-40 fuel (don't remember if Battlegroup is 20 or 25) ad 270 MP. I think the fuel cost justifies that. Also, calling in the truck and setting it up takes quite a long time, usually longer than it takes for other faction buildings/upgrades. As for Soviets, I believe molotov and AT grenade ought to be bundled into one upgrade. not with sander`s suggestions... he proposed the BGHQ cost 5 fuel + the 15 starting fuel of the truck... this would make it the cheapest bundle in the game... you get medics indirect fire an MG and incendiary nades for 170mp + 30 fuel.... In: COH2 Balance