So I am the biased one? You do realize, that a scout car hasn't the same priority as T2?
While a scout car is nice and dandy with Flamers in it it is no must-have. That is different with T2. Without Pak 40 you are screwed against Tanks of every kind and without Flametruck/222 you will lack a lot of AI power. Not building a damn scout car hasn't even near the same effect as
not building T2
So just because I don't want to make the best fraction in game even more OP I am biased?
tbh i find the scout car a useful tool for flanking and flaming out targets or inflicting bleed upon ostheer or chasing out and satcheling that nasty flamer HT... its use as a mobile garrison for infantry cannot be understated even vs ostheer imo
But OST without T2 has a lot of AT options right?
(And you know what a Zis 3 is? You don't need to go T1)
sov going T1 has only 1 more AT option against OST going T2... and thats running around with a scout car with PTRS penals... meanwhile ost has tellers...
Nice strawman you got there.
Never said I wanted OST to have cheaper theching. All I did was pointing out, that a T 34 after 220 fuel would be broken as garden and that OST teching IS already More expensive than SU one.
OST: T1/10 F + BP1/40 F + T2/20 F + BP2/ 90 + T3/15 F = 175 F
SU: T1/10 F/ T2/20 F + T3/ 85 F + T4/ 90 F = 185/195 F
your argument is self contradictory... and since u did it without a T2 skip it proves that OST teching is cheaper...
Don't let your tanks be without support ... you said it yourself in another thread.
Pz 4 won't have an easy game against T 34 + Penals + Cons (or Zis 3) + Mines
this is a given... but the P4 has an advantage provided the T-34 doesnt ram and satchel...
OST needs 10! fuel less to reach T3! Than SU needs to reach T4. So much to the *hurr durr*
"ridiculously cheaper"
proves my point... ost teching is cheaper... youre contradicting yourself
OST: 175 F + 222/ 30 F + 251/ 30 F + Pz 4/ 120 F = 355 F Till Pz 4
SU: 185/195 + T70/ 70 Fuel + T34 / 90 F = 345/355 F Till T 34
if we add all that we also add in the m3a1 and factor in T2 builds
SU: 185 + M3a1/15 fuel + T70/ 70 Fuel + T34 / 90 F = 355 F Till T 34
T2 build
SU: 195 + molly/15 fuel + AT grenade/ 25 fuel + T70/ 70 Fuel + T34 / 90 F = 395!!! F Till T 34
dont get me started on a t1-t2 build...
So you claim again, that Pz 4 comes earlyer (assuming that you skip T 70 since you claimed, that even then Pz 4 comes earlyer) even tho I showed you 3 times already, that this is not true
lets imply a T2 skip/scout car skip for both sides... absolutely no vehicles fielded till p4/T-34 since both T1s moderately helpless against them...
OST to P4 = T1 (10 fuel) + BP1 (40 fuel) + BP2 (90 fuel) + T3 (15 fuel) + Panzer 4 (125 fuel)=280 fuel
SU to T-34 = T1 (10 fuel) / T2 (20 fuel) T3 (85 fuel) + T4 (90 fuel) = 275/280 fuel
... unless either of us are doing calculation mistakes it means the T-34 and P4 come at the exact same time correct?... what i find most peculiar is the fact that a 90 fuel tank comes at the same time as a 120 fuel tank... if you think this is a good thing then make that your argument and stop claiming the T34 comes later or sov techs for less
"I already have T 70 on the field during a time where my enemy can't do much against him except using AT guns but i also want my first medium tank to arrive sooner, even tho he already does"
... and btw. Did you know that you can use T 70 to kill his 222/251 and capture both fuels?
Your T 34 will then comes even more earlyer than his Pz 4 + you will have T 34 + T 70 + Support
and he only Pz 4 + Support
at-cars are soo much better at killing 251s believe me... but yes... but argument that the T-34 coming earlier than the P4 is complete bullshit and thats what im trying to disprove
So just because I don't want to make the best fraction in game even more OP I am biased?
that should have been your argument... to try to show me how it would break the game not claim the T-34 comes earlier or that ost teching comes cheaper... because that argument is completely bullshit
if you think that ost teching being cheaper is good for the meta then argue there... dont try to prove that SOV teching is cheaper bcz its not...