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Thread: OKW September patch discussion15 Aug 2019, 11:25 AM Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 11:20 AMBalanced_Gamer That is what I do not like about it now, missing and hitting terrain also. Especially when it can not make a follow up sometimes, like placing a second shot on the enemy vehicle which it seldom does. Range needs to be improved further now that camo is near to being completely not as useful. I do still like your idea for making it alike USF AT gun instead. At least an AT gun in the Axis faction that would some trouble like the Allies have against Heavier tanks. Would be an interesting feature to add. a 60 range rak may be fine with the current stats... but i still prefer the pak 38 idea Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 11:20 AMBalanced_Gamer I see now. Though I do not see how that would make a huge difference when it is just a mini cost increase per reinforce. The reinforce increase/difference would be like +1.04% if you take 26/25. It do not see how that would change much since it is just a minor percentage. it may be minor but it would still make it more efficient than cons/grens... this is unacceptable Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 11:20 AMBalanced_Gamer I think what would be a bigger change is what I have suggested before. Switching the Panzerfaust to Sturmpio is a far better way at the dampening the Volks cost-efficiency. Make it similar to UKF units functions. Mainline having no snares (AT nades) while sappers/engineers have the snares. this may create the OKW counterpart of the UKF sapper piatblob... no thanks m8... i want that cancer to disappear not to proliferate... Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 11:20 AMBalanced_Gamer If I am not mistaken, it is the SU that had mostly the higher winrates across all factions overall. Not sure about how it performs now but I still think it is on top. In terms of uniqueness. WFA does get certain better qualities, additions and specialties. in tournaments yes... where everyone abuses guards and penals... both are units that need a tone down... overall however the highest winrate belongs to USF followed by UKF then OKW SOV and OST respectively In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW September patch discussion15 Aug 2019, 11:11 AM Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 10:38 AMStug life 1 problem witch Changing reinforces cost is recrewing, all faction have cheap squad to re crew weapons , okw have volks only and they already cost 25 mo to reinforce Would rather see a nerf to their mind and close performance why not rework sturmpioneers to be less bullrushy and more engineery so that it can fill the cheap recrewing niche? but id guess a nerf to volks to 240 + performance changes to put em on par with cons/grens could work... but i honestly prefer the former... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW rework idea15 Aug 2019, 11:06 AM Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 10:27 AMKiwiBirb OKW SturmPioneers Equipped with g43s instead of stg44s. Better than line infantry at all ranges, but not dominant. Equipped with incendiary grenades Can heal like British medics instead of health crates Can upgrade both Sweeper and schreck -This is to reduce the early game dominance of OKW, while keeping to the theme of a few powerful units supported by multiple weaker units. i sense spam in this idea... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW September patch discussion15 Aug 2019, 11:02 AM Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 10:57 AMSerrith Buffs or nerfs to the reinforce cost or callin cost of a unit do not need simultaneous proportional changes. For example, the reinforce cost of infantry sections was reduced but the callin cost remained the same. I am not convinced volks need a larger nerf. They are more cost effective then grens but that is because grens have an extremely expensive reinforce cast-on par or greater than many elite infantry(could be reduced to 28 imo). They are more cost effective than cons but only with the caveat that cons lack upgrades or lack veterancy-otherwise I might even give the advantage to cons. let me hold you there for a second grenadiers have the exact same reinforce cost as conscripts... dont believe me? conscripts 240mp 20mp per model 6 models 6x20 = 120mp to reinforce reinforce cost is 50% of the original squad cost (120/240) grenadiers 20mp per model 4 models 4x30 = 120mp to reinforce reinforce cost is 50% of the original squad cost (120/240) Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 10:57 AMSerrith I think a lot of the misconception about volks current power is the STG upgrade which is a buff to their firepower but nothing like giving them a couple of pgren stgs or fg42s. It's on a level similar to gren G43s. Barring the passive heal, volks vet leaves a bit to be desired (like penals) which hurts their scaling though not as badly as penals. This is fine though as that's the niche the unit(volks) was designed for. no... ive already conducted tests on that in another thread https://www.coh2.org/topic/94987/riflemen-need-a-buff-or-volks-need-a-nerf unupgraded volksgrenadiers overperform for their cost of 250mp.... 260mp/26mp reinforce was the logical conclusion of the tests i performed... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW September patch discussion15 Aug 2019, 10:21 AM Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 10:13 AMBalanced_Gamer 1.- It actually would not be a problem giving Raketenwerfer nearly the same range as most other AT guns now since the Camo is actually being totally nerfed to the state it must be completely stationary. Can not move or even rotate otherwise it will completely deactivate camo. Range increase so that it may be more of a viable support weapon. I actually do also like your idea about inserting instead a pak 38 with USF AT gun stats and TWP/APCR/insert ability here. I think the changes on the Raketenwerfer currently only improves survivability but really the other changes are not going to really help improve its AT capabilities. what i hate about the rak is that its rocket tends to collide more with the environment as opposed to targets... just make it a USF AT gun clone and be done with it Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 10:13 AMBalanced_Gamer 2.- I do not see how Volks price should set higher than at the price it is going to be set, at 260. It is really the utility they have that makes them good. Combat wise, yes slightly better than some mainlines but not any better than Tommies nor Riflemen. I think if Volks are to be changed a little, in this way slightly nerfed. They should replace or switch items between the units. Now Volks have - Flamenade (it is pretty unique to have, I do not removing it for some regular nade would be a nice idea, just saying) - Faust (hard to decide but with what it currently has - Sandbags (some Axis unit should have this by default) What would make sense if Sturmpio got the Panzerfaust instead. It would limits OKW power to counter light vehicles easier as it would be only Sturmpio that would be able to snare vehicles. Now imagine Volks just having now - Flamenade and Sandbags only This would totally nerf their so called cost-efficiency. It think it would be designed like this, similar to how the units in UKF function. Sappers get the snare while the mainline dont. Timing and the rate of acquiring the units with snares are more difficult. It would be better this way. no you misunderstood my statement... volks REINFORCE need to be changed aswell to 26mp per model... the current cost of 260mp is completely appropriate for volksgrenadiers...however reinforce costs werent adjusted to reflect that... soo changing it to 26mp per model actually keeps the proportions with its new cost of 260mp to illustrate old volks 250mp per squad 25mp per model 125 to reinforce 5 men reinforce cost 50% of original cost (125/250) new volks 260mp 25mp per model 125mp to reinforce 5 men reinforce cost 48.08% of original cost (125/260) proposed changes 260mp 26mp per model 130mp to reinforce 5 man reinforce cost 50% of original cost (130/260) Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 10:13 AMBalanced_Gamer 3.- Some truth but I do not entirely agree. Osteehr is in a far better spot than it used to be, with all the changes. SU which has been in a good spot but some elements have not such as the Maxim and Conscripts which both only need changing in order to improve the gameplay. It is just WFA being more unique since they are DLC content. Maybe that is why they get more special treatment. Just assuming since it is usually the case. in this case that "uniqueness" made it so that WFA factions have overall higher winrates than EFA factions In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Soviet September patch discussion15 Aug 2019, 10:17 AM tbh unless the maxim is buffed to viability the cons vs grens dynamic will always be in favor of grens (unless the PPSH is involved) since the HMG42 is soo much better as a support weapon than the maxim... earlier access to 7 man cons may prevent the reemergence of the maxim spam if the maxim were to be buffed to be a proper machinegun (at least vickers lvl of damage)... which would allow for the save buffing of the maxim to normal levels... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Panther armor rebalance.15 Aug 2019, 10:11 AM the panther is fine... stop trying to buff it... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: MG34 idea15 Aug 2019, 10:06 AM 250 vs 260? It used to cost 210 then 235 before it became 250 after a suppression buff In: COH2 Balance
Thread: RAKETENWERFER, Stay or Change. What say you?15 Aug 2019, 09:47 AM The rakaten needs to be reworked... not buffed... the concept of a squishy stealthy 60 range 5 man AT gun is just as bad as the current one albeit less frustrating to use however more frustrating to fight... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Soviet September patch discussion15 Aug 2019, 09:43 AM Anyone that says conscripts are fine hasnt been around pre penal buff/post maxim nerf where the soviets had sub 45% winrate because conscripts suck soo badly In: COH2 Balance