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No, it just show how the concept of a mobile pseudo LMG with suppression has been horrible conceived and we have to suffer it since beta days of CoH2.

It shows that however many official balance teams or directors and many community people involved haven't been able to reach a middle point with Maxim in whether it's not too strong nor it's too weak. Cause even when individually it was weak, it was still strong when spammed or against a single faction.


Some consider that bringing it down to 5 man will open more solutions to the problem, but at the end of the day it would be the same approach they did with both 120mm and the Pack Howie. It didn't fix shit and was more a placebo thing.

i do like the idea of replacing it with a vickers though... the maxim after all is a vickers machinegun... albeit on wheels... later in ww2 tripod maxims were a common sight aswell... soo replacing the maxim with a vickers could be doable so long as its reskinned into the soviet olive green

Hm won't this make 7 men cons come a bit too quickly?

not any quicker than LMG grens STG volks BARrifles and BRENtommies... in fact it still comes out later than all of these scary bunches...

I'm sorry but in the situation you are highlighting I'm not convinced a non deathloop mg would survive it either. If you have tons of indirect fire, nades and a blob hitting an mg, I dont care what mg it is, it is going to die.

there is an eventual point when any MG would be saturated yes.. but the maxim has a much lower saturation point before being overwhelmed thanks to the death loop...

theres a good reason why the vets think the deathloop makes the maxim really vulnerable to wipes...

The main issue with the deathloop is when the model pushing the maxim is continually getting sniped most often due to small arms. When you say you can trigger the deathloop intentionally i assumed you meant you could somehow force your squads to target the correct model every time through some micro trick.
Any fool can throw a huge blob at an mg and wipe it before it can get out of range.

thats not the key to triggering the deathloop... the key is to do wide AOE damage in order to damage all models without killing a single model to the point where small arms fire is enough to kill the gunner and the remaining crew in quick succession

I do not think the 6 man weapon team is there to compensate for the deathloop otherwise why do soviet at guns and mortars also have 6 men? This is more of a Soviet themed thing.

yes 6 man weapon teams are a soviet theme... but it doesnt change the fact that the maxim is still relatively easy to wipe with a quick riflenade or a flamenade... many such situations where other MGs would be able to escape the maxim would just faceplant in due to the deathloop...

My suggestion would be something along the lines of giving the maxim gunner a universal cover on retreat sort of like how at guns provide directional green cover to the crew.

that wouldnt solve the deathloop... but yes that would migitate it somewhat... but not entirely

then why arent conscripts used in tournaments vs OKW? perhaps it has something to do with the viability of the conscript vs OKW?

If(?) they decided cons needs buff it better be slightest ~1% buff to vet0 at long range to force retreat of mgs from the side of their arc. Since getting close to mg is ussually not possible.

This Con upgrade at t3 is no no. It would disbalance everithing
It can be at T3 for 70 muni and with 20mp for reinforcement. So you wont be upgrading more than 3 squads.

how come "7 man conscripts at t3 imbalances everything" but LMGgrens and STGvolks coming EARLIER than T3 are "perfectly fine"

I realize that proportionally the cost of reinforcement to initial callin cost is the same for grenadiers and conscripts. However, losing 2 models to a grenade is 60 mp for grens while losing 2 models to a grenade is only 2 for cons. On top of that cons at vet 3 only have a 1% greater recieved accuracy to grens so at that point you cant even cited model durability as an advantage which offsets reinforce cost.

not when you factor in recieved accuracy... grenadiers have far superior RA to conscripts... and so long as they arent used offensively... get far less bleed than conscripts... of course they sacrifice this when on the offensive but grenadiers are intended to be a defensive tool to the more offensive oriented conscript...

likewise in grenadier vs conscript duel the conscript is actually more likely to bleed models than the grenadiers... simply due to the higher RA... even if the conscript does eventually put itself in an advantageous position... say i oorah into medium/close range into cover... the conscript is still more likely to bleed models than the gren by virtue of RA and DPS on the part of the grenadier squad... even if the conscript does put itself on an winning engagement...

the only real point where those numbers start to become irrelevant is the lategame where tanks and artillery overtake small arms fire... in that case grenadiers do start to bleed quite alot... but thats the price paid for the lower earlygame bleed of grens

As for your tests - first I already addressed that cons are less cost efficient only with the caveat they lack vet or upgrades because both will make cons more cost effective than volks.

volks have vet and upgrades aswell... conscripts may get better vet... but lets not forget that soviet conscript builds struggle against volks.... to the point that almost no tournament player even opts to use them against volks...

why you ask?

because theyre simply not competitive

ohh mind you the volk STG actually improves DPS at all ranges... its a no brainer upgrade without any compromise whatsoever...

For grens, the lmg42 is the second best lmg in the game and is available for grens for good reason- just like with cons their upgrades and/or vet is what allows them to scale. Lmg42 grens will beat the stuffing out of stg volks at long range-and that is really the only range they shine at but they do it well.

LMG42 grens have to be static in order to deal damage... this leaves you open to alot of different strategies in order to deal with this... its the sole reason why G43 grens are popular in high level games bc the G43 fires on the move allowing continuous DPS despite the strategy in use...

for example if i see an LMG grenblob i immediately find an SU-76 a katy a churchill a KV-8 or any other AOE damage tool to punish the static grens or force them to keep moving in order to nullify their DPS... volks will have increased DPS in all situations...

So no I dont think volks need further nerfing, they already scale worse than all the mainline infantry excluding penals. Increasing their reinforce cost would make that worse.

conscripts and grens disagree... in fact conscripts and grens are soo bad compared to the current volks that claiming "260mp/26 reinforce makes them bad" is a biased sentiment