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Thread: KV1 nerfs, When?15 Apr 2021, 13:19 PM Jump back to quoted post15 Apr 2021, 13:09 PMgeneral_gawain for a tank that costs only 50 fuel! What? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: KV1 nerfs, When?15 Apr 2021, 13:18 PM Jump back to quoted post15 Apr 2021, 13:07 PMMMX excuse me but how is that even a remotely valid analogy? even if both deflect half or more shots versus their respective target, the kv-8 isn't able to fight back while the panther can. That's a curious statement In a vacuum The SU-76M has a 10 range advantage over a Panther The KV-8 has a 10 range disadvantage over the Stug The SU-76M has 0.65 chances to penetrate a Panther at mid range The KV-8 45mm has 0.6 chances to penetrate a Stug at mid range In a real match The KV-8 deters every single counter to itself while the soviet player uses a double 60 range zis to deter every stug, which, being a turretless tank, won't be able to move outside of firecones while shooting So explain how the Stug is an hardcounter In: COH2 Balance
Thread: KV1 nerfs, When?15 Apr 2021, 13:08 PM Jump back to quoted post15 Apr 2021, 12:50 PMgeneral_gawain The StuG is the natural counter for KV-8 and KV-1 alike. If one is not enough watch two of them obliterate KV-1/KV-8. 50 range plus decent penetration is all you need. Its probably the most cost efficient TD of the game, what else do you want? The problem is that axis players got used going for PZIV first because of its great AI damage. Since KV-1/KV-8 both come out a little bit later than PZIV soviet player can safely build them if he saw your PZIV already. A PZIV isn't the best choice versus any KV obviously. So if you see KV-1/KV-8 on your opponents loadout you should watch out if he uses other commander abilties that will lead to KV-1/KV-8. Don't rely on ATGs alone, consider building StuG(s) because they can't be countered by combination with Katjusha. 10 meters is no real range advantage for the same way it's not a real range advantage on allies side in the Panther/Stug vs Allied TD matchup Kiting them results in firing on the move shots that have 65% chance to penetrate, with the target being able to take 6 of those shots and instantly denying the use of any infantry at support In: COH2 Balance
Thread: KV1 nerfs, When?15 Apr 2021, 13:02 PM Jump back to quoted post15 Apr 2021, 12:51 PMKatitof I've got bad news for you. If you didn't understood the point of it, its about you as well. First of all, try to understand why a player would want to move around a 50 range turretless 170 far pen tank destroyer vs a 40 range 260 armor and 960 hp heavy tank Play the game In: COH2 Balance
Thread: KV1 nerfs, When?15 Apr 2021, 12:50 PM Jump back to quoted post15 Apr 2021, 12:24 PMKatitof May I present you the dark realm of 4 digit rank 4v4 RT? But katys were destroyed by counter barrage lefh. But 7 man cons were pinned by HMG42. Plus, what 7 man cons? Brummbar 1-2 shotted all of them, so there is no soviet infantry on field besides CEs anymore and your panther has completely free reign to move anywhere. Why do you need to always be on the move against KV-1? Its much slower and with large target size accuracy is not a problem. Why do you move StuGs around? Got solved by ost own tools. See? Its very easy to always have theoretical hardcounter to everything you face to make other side look unbeatable. Absolutely delusional post Pure clown world In: COH2 Balance
Thread: KV1 nerfs, When?15 Apr 2021, 12:49 PM Jump back to quoted post15 Apr 2021, 12:24 PMMMX wait what, in what universe are stug(s) no reliable counter to a kv-8? In the universe where a 170 penetration stat is not enough to reliably penetrate 260 armor? Unless I missed something and Su76M are also counters to Panthers.. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: KV1 nerfs, When?15 Apr 2021, 12:31 PM Jump back to quoted post15 Apr 2021, 11:56 AMHannibal Are you talking about the KV8 or KV1? Both have a timing issue In: COH2 Balance
Thread: KV1 nerfs, When?15 Apr 2021, 11:10 AM It wouldn't be an issue if they didn't come out by the time medium tanks do Rushing a KV-8 against an OST player is catastrophic because Stugs aren't reliable counters to it. You are supposed to face the healthpool and armor of a Panther way BEFORE the Panther can arrive and it so just happens that this tank hard counters anti tank guns AND has a main gun with penetration equivalent (and superior at close range) to normal mediums In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - General Feedback13 Apr 2021, 21:46 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2021, 21:16 PMKatitof Imagine the entitlement of someone, complaining about centaur doing AA job, but being completely unwilling to pay LESS for own version that knocks planes equally good. What are you even rambling about? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - General Feedback13 Apr 2021, 20:38 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2021, 20:37 PMDescolata 110 fuel and 11-13 pop is a lot for AA. Not when it comes with the best AI AA tank in game. It's also an high rof AA and downs planes like nothing In: COH2 Balance