Profile of Rosbone

this is true but if u back cap u can negate the cutoff by spending 1min max so u can secure your fule the cutoff hurts the lazy people that don't back cap

I was just trying to locate which map was the last version players saw in automatch, so we can offer suggestions. I was not arguing the cutoff placements (yet). Seeing the newest version would be much better.

This is what unpacked from my COH2 files recently.

Since we do not know what Relic and Sturmpanther are going to decide, I am just trying to get as much info out there as we can so they can make the best decision. Digging thru maps and trying to decipher what 10 people want to do with a map is A LOT OF WORK.

Since they were kind/brave enough to involve the community, we need to work together in these forums to hash out the really important stuff. Then maybe make polls to what changes are needed?

I keep remaking maps because for some people it is easier to SEE the changes than to IMAGINE the changes. So I encourage all to check out Wuff and Lucianos map changes, as well, if the visual thing works best for you.

If there is enough interest, I can update the workshop file for people to test, should they wish to give feedback.

Since this cycle is a rework cycle and not a bring back old maps cycle, the sooner the new version is posted the better? I would like to look it over myself, even though I am not a 1v1 player. At least post an overhead on this forum.

As a mapper, you know we mappers see issues with maps all day long that we could fix in under an hour. But the problems are sometimes hidden until the map has seen many hours of play.

The main problem I see with urban maps is:
1. Too many buildings.
2. Weird cover positions. Cover is usually parallel to the the buildings. And if it is not, it blocks pathing.
3. Lack of open areas. Close quarter combat decides a lot of engagements leading to vetos.

I do not recall Caen having too many of these issues. But could maybe use more open areas.

The version that is still in the game has the harsh cutoffs that are opposite the resources they remove, correct?

I just dont understand why I can't veto all the maps I dont want to play, if I want to sit ina lobby for an hour before a game, let that be my choice.

Because the ladder system would be a joke then. Always play the one map that you know how to play and win more often. You could be terrible at the game in general (like me), but have a high ranking. Or worse there is some bat shit OP thing that works on a certain map so you aboose the hell out of it and rise up the ranks .

As an exercise and because I have years of modifying map experience:
RosboneSkaya

Completely relaid out with a long list of changes. I have a feeling it will play closer to Kholodny Ferma now? More Yin/Yang with skirmishes over center cutoffs.

- Moved VPs to normal locations.
- Moved buildings slightly.
- Added sight blockers around buildings to limit their effectiveness and allow flanking. My thought was an MG should suppress you once. You retreat. You return and flank/grenade/mortar. So the buildings still have decent vision of the map, but do not have vision at their closest base.
- Moved a shed to the north side of map to mirror south.
- Removed base GREEN cover.
- Removed all RED cover.
- Increased south base size.
- Fixed base rotations for USF.
- Optimized tile chunks, some exceeded 8 tiles/chunk. Changed to 4 or 5 with no visible quality change.
- Flattened the major hills/elevations a lot.
- Many points have sight blockers located so you can approach and take the point without being seen by buildings.




As stated above, I like to make MGs in garrisons useful but not OP. I also like the idea of limiting them a lot if close to a base. Here is an example of how I tried to implement that:

RED lines are sight blockers to allow approach to the garrison.
GREEN lines are green cover.
BLUE lines show approach paths for the blue MG garrison.
PINK lines show approach paths for the pink MG garrison.

Other options are putting sight blockers right on the building or using buildings with no windows. Both of those have their place, but just feel wrong to me in some instances. Like I said, the MG should suppress you once then move out of the garrison because it will get flanked/grenaded/mortared the next time. Thoughts?

Not sure what you are getting at...

Most of my posts are questions that may be informative for someone else reading this thread.

1. Do we know how the selection process works on the client side? Server side?

2. Say there are 10 maps. Most people would veto 2 of the same maps. Then their would be some variation of their other vetos. This would show graphically similar to your charts.

If the client can NOT VOTE FOR A MAP, it would be purely random server selection based on the available maps left(not vetoed).

If the client can VOTE FOR A MAP, but most people do not. The results would be more random. Some days a few more people may actually vote for the same map and the server would then select it. So I would expect to see days where Steppes is played 9 times in a row assuming the same people are playing it and voting.

I agree with your charts. And I agree with Ferwiners assessment that there are a lot of factors as to what maps get played the most. I am just adding more examples of how the numbers could be skewed because of the vetoing/voting process. If it even exists.