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"From my post in another thread:

"I did this comparison for cons, but now I think it would help to do it for riflemen too. Raw numbers in the top section, relative ratios at the bottom, sorry for the formatting:

Rifle squad effective durability: 5.15 effective models

Volks: 5 effective models

Rifle squad DPS at max range: 8.49 DPS

Volks: 9.035 DPS

Rifle squad DPS at 3 range: 33.945

Volks squad DPS at 0 range: 23.71

Rifle squad vet 0, 1 bar, 34* range DPS: 10.835 DPS

Volks vet0, 2 stgs, 34* range: 9.488 DPS

(*volks stgs spike up in DPS from 1.446 at 35 to 1.96 DPS at 34, given this detail, its probably more useful and informative to take the DPS at 34 and not 35)

Rifles, vet 0, 1 bar, close (3 range): 40.36 DPS

Volks, vet 0, 2 stgs, close (0 range): 29.266 DPS

Rifles, vet 3 effective durability: 7.81

Volks vet 3 durability: 6.49

Rifles, vet 3, 2 bars, 34 range: 18.062

Volks, vet 5, 2 stgs, 34 range: 13.326

Rifles, vet 3, 2 bars, 3 range: 64.439

Volks, vet 3, 2 stgs, 0 range: 39.779




Rifles/volks vet 0 effective durability: 103%

Rifles/volks vet 0 DPS max range: 94%

Rifles/volks vet 0 DPS close: 143%

1 bar squad/2 stg squad, vet 0, 34 range: 114%

1 bar squad/2 stg squad, vet 0, close range: 138%

Rifles/volks vet 3 effective durability: 120%

2 bar squad/2 stg squad, vet 3, 34 range: 136%

2 bar squad/2 stg squad, vet 3, close range: 162%


Didn't double check my calculations. Even counting the difference in utility (flame nades, and sandbags) and rack costs, to me, these numbers justify rifles costing 12% more. If you make rifles 260/26 as some have suggested, then ask yourself whether or not the utility that volks bring is actually equivalent to these combat advantages rifles have."

So yes, I DO think volks are operating according to cost. I could do the same comparison against tommies or penals, but there's no point. The results are already pretty obvious. I already did the work for this comparison though, so it's at least fairly easy to copy paste this every time someone decides to make a post that either makes up random numbers, rewrites facts, or ignores how the game ACTUALLY works."




So rifles are basically even with volks at long range, and single bar rifles beat stg volks at close range.

Beyond that, half of your points about how riflemen are not cost efficient have nothing to do with riflemen:
"REs are weak" has nothing to do with riflemen cost efficiency.
"Sturms are strong" has nothing to do with riflemen cost efficiency.

The simplest solution to this is a price reduction to Riflemen to bring them in line with their performance when they come onto the battlefield. Making them in the range of 250-260mp seems very reasonable, and will help alleviate some of the mp woes that USF often deals with.

Since I take this to be your main point and primary solution, I simply can't agree with this post given the information I provided above. Do let me know if there's something I'm missing though.

is there anywere to see the dps in range from IS and other inf units in the game so i know where to stand in fight?
tyvm

Right here: https://coh2db.com/stats/

The answer is the straightforward one. Brens on IS, piats on royal engineers. Piats are obviously better on engineers because they bleed less, have weaker stock weapons (so you lose less by giving them AT weapons), and most importantly, have a snare. As for which one uses MGs better, that comparison takes a little longer to lay out.

Obviously the idea is that engis are significantly cheaper than IS, bleed less, do not suffer from the out of cover penalty, lose DPS slower (since all the DPS is from the LMGs and not the stens), and can have 1 vickers + 2 brens. The thinking is good, but it just doesn't translate very well in game. Royal engi vet bonuses are absolutely terrible for LMGs. The vet 1 cover bonus (reload and cooldown) only applies to stens, so its close to absolutely useless. Vet 2 gives no combat bonuses, and vet 3 cant make up for the other two levels. I'm pretty sure royal engis are the ONLY squad in the game not to gain accuracy with vet, and that's absolutely massive. In the end, you have a squad thats cheaper than infantry sections (manpower cost and upkeep), but costs way more muni, walks way slower, can't heal itself, requires a lot of teching, and hardly performs better than sections do.
(A quick note stating that REs used to get buffed brens, but were recently changed to get the standard infantry section brens; this is actually what adamírcz is referring to).

I think instead of ban artillery we should unban ovwrwatch and have an anything goes policy

...Did you just say...ANYTHING? I'm ready for those mirror matches

m8 either you need to l2p or...

...Which is exactly why he's here asking for advice on how to counter OKW. Don't get why you're being so condescending on a section of the forum that's literally intended to help players get better at the game.

And to the original poster: As many people stated, infantry sections are probably the strongest mainline infantry unit in the game, which is why you really want to leverage their strength. This means getting the early 5 man upgrade and potentially upgunning them with brens. 5 man sections with brens should beat fallschirmjager in equal cover engagements at long range (and, really, you dont even need to straight up beat fallschirmjager 1 for 1 given the difference in costs).

If he throws a lot of infantry at you, you can usually just throw a lot of infantry right back. Invest a comparable number of squads, and you'll probably win.

Outside of a bunch of infantry sections, you usually want one engineer squad to snare vehicles, a couple of AT guns (the specific number depending on how many vehicles he has), and, importantly a sniper. You do have to use snipers more cautiously against falls because of their camo, but as long as youre not taking any unnecessary risks, the sniper should end up doing a lot of work. I can't emphasize this enough, OKW just doesn't have any direct counters to snipers.

As for tanks, I honestly find that they're largely unnecessary. Currently, I usually opt for the crocodile or valentines, but have also went for comets when I've had the room to. My main point here is that UKF doesn't really need to use tanks of their own to threaten the enemy, they mainly need them to neutralize the enemy's tanks. To that end, it's usually fireflies or comets for me (again, when im not going for the doctrinal options), and never really centaurs or cromwells.