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Hi Vipper,

and by far the best (especially in price/ performance) is the mortar emplacement from brits. this thing is so cheap and have huge range and always drop double shell on your head...don't bleed manpower...

Good thing then that it can't move away from enemy shells, receives bonus damage from incendiary weapons and costs alot of MP to justify those advantages.

Right?

You already have the most cost efficient and bleed efficient mainline and now youre asking for earlier elite infantry??

Volks are being adressed in the patch, so i leave them out of this discussion.

I would rather see all powerful infantry arrive later than earlier.

Allowing players to invest in expensive powerful units early make early engagement toο decisive for the outcome of the game.

I disagree with this, for the following reason:

In my suggestion and poll, Obers arrive at the time most LV play tends to begin. LV's counter Obers. Sure, OKW can get Raketenwerfers, panzershrecks and even panzerfausts be4 things like the Stuart, the AEC or even the T70 start rolling in, but Obers are still in a precarious situation if they ever face LV's without proper support(which goes for any anti- infantry unit, like Shock and Para's).

If people are concerned about their impact on the realy phases of the game, we can nerf their stats to be more forgiving in the early game, and letting them snowball a bit more in the mid- to late game to regain these stats(aka, using them correctly and letting them vet up before they can get their almighty LMG34).

Things like Received accuracy and starting DPS of their Kar98's can be spread out over their veterancy bonusses. I think that concerns of them outclassing Penals etc in the early game can be largely adressed this way.

Alternatively, one could lock their bundled grenade and boobytrap ability behind a 2nd deployed truck, but i am not a fan of that idea.

Once again, i am not perfect. Obers are obviously a minor thing for the balance team right now, but i still like to discuss about them as i currently don't have any reason to buy them. I usually have 3 to 4 vetted volks for proper AI, and OKW has more potent, cheaper, earlier and durable alternatives than Obers when it comes to dealing with infantry.

How would we give Obers proper relevance?

Retreat is kind of pointless to have imo, as it's really not going to help when you are being attacked by HE shermans or just massed infantry in general, especially so if the crew manning the weapon keeps dying(death loop).

It's there just to cover f*ckups that people make regarding its stealth movement aswell as compensate for its poor survivability, but with both out of the window i am not in the opinion that the T button is a neccesary thing to have on the rak right now.

TBH if you let them attack your base in the first place, and let them destroy buildings, you've done something wrong. There's not much more to it.

I use mainly PZRgrenadiers for their AI power so this is a no go for me.

This could also lead to potential blobbing because quote:

''This allow the panzergrenadier to retain more of their original firepower after the tank hunter upgrade, and the overall unit+upgrade are cheaper but still potent.''

Having 2- 3 squads for 900 mp with STG's, bundle grenades and 3 panzershrecks... nope. Not for me.