Also the landing takes so long that if a schwerer hq is set up the glider will die more often than not, or be severely damaged (more a problem for van ops commander), and even if it isn't set up, the okw base guns will deal significant damage to it as well. Maybe reduce the stupidly long amount of time it circles the battlefield? As to the part about Brens, I'd rather see some sort of upgrade that increases their short midrange dps, like thompsons or something, rather than brens, because that would keep them from becoming glorified infantry sections with camo past like 20 minutes. Thoughts on that?
I like how it circles the battlefield, as it provides recon and gives a chance for it to be countered (unlike the paratroopers, who are invincible unless they land on a building on in the same field as a AA gun). I think my idea of removing it's icon and instead using the image of a glider tug would be better, because the main problem with it isn't really being shot down, it's that it's too easy for the enemy to pinpoint where it landed just by watching the mini-map.
When I first made this thread on steam, I suggested giving the Commandos a choice of 2 upgrades, based on stats they have on the stats website. First upgrade would be 2 Brens, because of how effective they are with them. Also, Commando sections historically had 4 Brens per section. I also suggested a second upgrade being 2 Delisle Carbines (stats exist), which would act almost like G43s, boosting mid to long range DPS. The stats website also makes mention of an 'assassination' ability tied to them.
I also suggested 4 Thompsons being an upgrade as well (again, stats exist) which would massively boost their short range damage, possibly turning them back into how the commandos performed initially, but at the cost of no longer being able to infiltrate. But I thought that would be too much of a no brainer. |
Depends on how much flavour you want for each doctrine.
Solution 1:
- Glider stays the sameish price, glider can build commandos
This is straightforward. In this case, Commando Glider becomes poor man's logistic glider
Solution 2:
- Glider becomes very cheap (~420-ish)
- Potentially reduce cooldown (currently it's at 4 minutes long, which is excessive)
- Glider can reinforce friendly troops even when cut-off
Solution 2 addresses the longstanding problem of Brits not being able to reinforce on the field, and allows this doctrine offer something unique. Since commando doctrine is an aggressive infantry-support oriented the doctrine, I think it fits the theme. And it's also more unique/aggressive oriented than the vanguard glider.
Let's face it, if you had Solution 1, you would never use the glider offensively, which is what the doctrine should be about.
Now you can use cheap-ish gliders to reinforce your on-field commandos, troops, etc
I prefer solution 2 by far. Keeps the ability unique and keeps the commander on the offensive, and prevents this commander from just becoming a worse Vanguard one (which, one would argue, it's close to being). Good idea. Though the problem of its noticable landing still remains. Anyway, I request I saw a lot when doing research for this post was about giving the Glider a Bren rack (either single use or not). I vetoed it, saying allowing the commandos to upgrade it themselves would be better (and less likely to be nicked by the enemy). But would it work? |
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I'll start by saying that the Commandos are already very good soldiers (and I'm not just saying that because I'm Northern Irish) and don't really needed buffed themselves.
One of the biggest gripes with the commandos at the moment happens to be something that has nothing to do with the squad's stats. It is in fact, the Horsa gilder they arrive in. The cost, at the moment, doesn't justify it's use-ability. For 500mp, one would expect something a wee bit more then a wooden tube. The common argument is to reduce the price to around 430 mp, and remove it's ability to reinforce. Which is fair enough, the reinforce only works in territory, so it's pretty useless to begin with. However, I feel that the glider should be changed to reflect it's current cost. Namely, to do the job of both Pathfinders (i.e. their beacons) and Paratroopers. Specifically, being able to reinforce commandos (and only commandos) in enemy territory. Would this be over-powered? Possibly, but it still is a wooden tube in the middle of a field.
Another common gripe with the glider is the fact that it defeats the purpose of the Commandos when it is called in. A quick look at the mini-map and the enemy knows exactly where it's landing, unlike the Paratroopers, which only leaves the enemy with a vague idea off where they landed. Which is a tad disappointing, especially since gilders are famous for their ability to land troops silently and effectively. For example, the gliders that landed the paratroopers who took Pegasus bridge landed only 42 metres from the bridge without alerting the sentries. Granted, it was 16 minutes past midnight. But I digress, while I feel that just removing the glider icon in flight might be a bit annoying for the enemy, especially since they'll have no indication a glider is coming down unless they hear it, I do feel it should be removed, but replaced by something else. Namely, a mini-map icon of a glider tug. The glider still does it's ritual dance in flight, with maybe it's recon or without it, and whooshing sounds, but minus the icon. However, when the glider is called in, an aircraft (represented by the icon of a single British bomber (a Halifax) fly's over the map instead, from the direction the glider will come from. That way, the enemy will know a glider has been called in (which could still be shot down) but they would have to look for it themselves rather then just watching the mini-map's icon. That way, the glider can still be spotted in the air, and is visually shown to have been called in, but there would have to be more attention involved in tracking it's landing.
These changes specifically refer to the Commando Insertion ability from the commando regiment, not the Infiltration commandos or the ones spawned from the Vanguard one.
The Commandos, as they are, are very good at what they do and what they are made to do. But many say that in order for them to perform at their best they need their special Bren gun(s). But in order for them to get said Brens, they have to get them from either a Forward Assembly or the HQ itself. At that point, they're not really infiltration units anymore. So, I would suggest allowing them to upgrade 1 (or 2) Bren guns, like paratroopers, behind the lines for the appropriate cost and upgrade time, so that they can continue to operate behind the lines for a longer period of time. Though, I'll admit that this may not be the best received change for them, in fact I almost oppose it.
Also, what about employing this strategy when using the gliders? I've never tested it myself (given how a recent Officer doctrine drop, so I use Vanguard), but I believe that the commander is best used when employing a much smaller scale version of the strategy of Operation Market Garden. Namely, the glider lands a bit behind the front lines, the commandos take and hold the point, while your main forces, coupled with the commanders other abilities, namely smoke raid and assault, push through the front line to link up with the glider. Of course, Market Garden failed, but a still think that my strategy (which I've christened Operation Raining Ulstermen) could work well. However, while Market Garden was A Bridge Too Far, Raining Ulstermen may be A Capture Point Too Far.
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