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Thread: Wehr weak penetration18 Oct 2019, 13:11 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2019, 12:58 PMVipper And why do you seem to have a problem with some and not with others? Which ones are Ok to have 100% chance to hit and penetrate and which are not? And against what vehicle and with what criteria? It's okay for a vehicle to have 100% to penetrate if its penetration value is greater than the target's armour value. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Wehr weak penetration18 Oct 2019, 13:09 PM I think we're talking at cross-purposes here. When I call the Panther OST's tank destroyer, I'm not saying the Panther is a dedicated AT unit. I'm saying it fills the tactical role of tank destroyer in OST's lineup. You build it for the same reasons USF builds a Jackson. Yes, it can double as anti-infantry support, just like the SU-76 can double as indirect fire. But you'd never build it for that. You build it to kill mediums and heavies. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Wehr weak penetration18 Oct 2019, 12:52 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2019, 12:46 PMVipper I also find weird that complain about penetration and actually hitting the target or why you are asking for more accuracy for ISU/ELE/JT that will penetrate most targets but will not hit them. I don't recall ever saying the Elefant needs to be more accurate. I said I have no problem with a tank destroyer having 100% chance to hit and penetrate a vehicle. They don't need a token bounce chance for the sake of it. I did not say all tank destroyers need 100% chance to hit and penetrate. That's absurd. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Wehr weak penetration18 Oct 2019, 12:49 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2019, 12:45 PMgbem remove its 2+1 machineguns then ill call it a tank hunter... If that's your logic, I suppose the Firefly and StuG are premium mediums too. Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2019, 12:46 PMgbem what? the stuart is not a tankhunter.......... It's not an anti-infantry specialist like the Luchs, and it's not a generalist like the T-70. What's left? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Unauthorized Tanks18 Oct 2019, 12:46 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2019, 12:45 PMT.R. Stormjäger All units mod actually has a Hetzer for OKW, with a fully functioning main gun. Unfortunately it also has a graphical glitch which got it categorically ruled out by Relic. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Wehr weak penetration18 Oct 2019, 12:38 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2019, 12:32 PMVipper So in you opinion all TDs should have 100% chance to hit and penetrate every target at max range? Because you are complaining about "frustrating low probability bounces" if a unit can bounce a shot even will low probability that it working as intended and I do not see why you are complaining. The only other option is to completely remove the RNG factor... I see nothing wrong in principle with a tank destroyer having a 100% chance to hit and penetrate another vehicle. I see no value in adding a 5% chance to bounce just for the sake of it not being zero. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Wehr weak penetration18 Oct 2019, 12:32 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2019, 12:29 PMgbem its a premium medium first not a tank destroyer... The Panther is definitely a tank destroyer at this point. The way the faction designs have ended up, it serves the same role as the Jackson. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Unauthorized Tanks18 Oct 2019, 12:30 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2019, 12:08 PMBlueKnight I don't see why OKW needs a stock Stug (as suggested earlier) when other factions can't play competitively unless they pick a doctrine to fill the power gaps in the lineup. T34 was just an example. The T-34/76's desperate need for a rework has nothing to do with the internal tech structure of OKW. If external balance is a problem, nerf OKW elsewhere. My concern here is strategic diversity. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Wehr weak penetration18 Oct 2019, 12:25 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2019, 12:18 PMachpawel But that is the crux of the problem. Panther is also a tank destroyer that can be destroyed by tank destroyes while they are out of range. Usually, it's better to have range than armour in such case. Also pricewise it is more effective to buy a jackson than a panther. There isn't a faction in the game that can choose between a Jackson and a Panther. The Panther competes with the JPIV and the Panzer IV, the Jackson competes with the Sherman and the Scott. As for the Panther/Jackson matchup, the Panther's armour doesn't do much, no. What does do a lot for it is its extra HP: it kills a Jackson in four hits whereas a Jackson kills a Panther in six. In a head to head battle, the Panther has a slight edge. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Unauthorized Tanks18 Oct 2019, 12:05 PM I don't see what the T-34/76 has to do with the OKW teching structure. In: COH2 Balance