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Thread: Had anybody made this mistake with Butterfly?4 Apr 2018, 21:06 PM It's in the company you have to pay extra for. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: An open letter to the CoHmmunity about rebroadcasting4 Apr 2018, 17:22 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2018, 16:52 PMTric Depends on if you run ads willingly and how many mobile watchers/desktop watchers without adblock you have. A stream with 100-200 avg concurrent viewers with just the "intro ad" when you first click the stream would make about 20-30 USD a month from ad revenue. So if you had a stream that was partnered (as affiliates do not get ad revenue) broadcasting a tournament and between matches they ran ad's to the same average above, it would ad up very quickly, and most likely help fund further events, this is of course outside donations. Hope that helps make it a bit clearer. So say instead of hosting Seasonal Map Cup on one stream you hosted it on two. Each stream has a different caster and is casting different matches. Assuming all revenue is directed to the same pot is this inherently disadvantageous? In: Lobby
Thread: An open letter to the CoHmmunity about rebroadcasting4 Apr 2018, 17:02 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2018, 16:57 PMStormless Ad revenue is fairly small to be honest. I am more focused on arguing the principles that you shouldn't try to make money off the back of others hard work. It's a message to anyone who is reading this that we're asking you to be considerate and that your contribution to the scene can be as little as allowing people to reap rewards from their work whether it's viewership, exclusive live casting, follows donations or ad revenue etc. I agree with your position on this. I'm just trying to understand the intricacies of how the money works here. In: Lobby
Thread: An open letter to the CoHmmunity about rebroadcasting4 Apr 2018, 16:43 PM Is the ad revenue large enough to be a significant factor? In: Lobby
Thread: An open letter to the CoHmmunity about rebroadcasting4 Apr 2018, 16:23 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2018, 16:22 PMTatatala Donation links the same? LUL This is a hypothetical scenario. In: Lobby
Thread: An open letter to the CoHmmunity about rebroadcasting4 Apr 2018, 16:21 PM There's one thing I don't get that I'd like explained to me: Why is one 600 viewer stream better than two 300 viewer streams assuming all the donation links are the same? In: Lobby
Thread: An open letter to the CoHmmunity about rebroadcasting4 Apr 2018, 15:25 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2018, 14:27 PMStormless I think the community is important because reading this discussion and understand how people feel about this gives the community more of an idea of how this kind of thing affects Tournament Organisers. There may be people who were not involved in this directly but may consider streaming this way in the future and hopefully, this would deter that kind of thing. I agree on that. I for one hadn't even considered the tournament organizer's position before reading your open letter. It's also a matter of consensus because we are not able to convey as a minority that such behaviour is controversial and frowned upon. As a community with enough voices, we can speak out and build a general understand of behaviour that results in the happiness of everyone rather than a few people. I think the etiquette argument has achieved all it's going to achieve at this point. It's doubtlessly won over a lot of people (myself included) but if you want to nip this in the bud entirely you'll either have to come to a mutually beneficial agreement or resort to stronger deterrents. In: Lobby
Thread: An open letter to the CoHmmunity about rebroadcasting4 Apr 2018, 14:12 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2018, 13:49 PMStormless But if this behaviour is genuinely accepted and validated (By any community of any size or value) then I think that's worth a discussion and in the future we'll make sure we protect ourselves from this happening for our own personal happiness rather than relying on the decency of others. The community opinion doesn't make much of a difference because the community can't really do much about it. Even if this thread were a chorus of agreement (and it mostly is) the only people with the ability to do anything about it here are the tournament organizers and the people who want to stream tournament matches. I only see three outcomes here. Tournament matches are parallel streamed without permission from the organizers. Tournament matches are parallel streamed with permission on the organizer's terms. Tournament matches aren't parallel streamed. Personally I think there's a mutually beneficial deal that can be made here provided the bridges aren't too burned up by now. Otherwise all you can really do outside of Relic intervention is use tournament disqualification as a deterrent. And I'm not sure how well that route would end. In: Lobby
Thread: An open letter to the CoHmmunity about rebroadcasting4 Apr 2018, 13:41 PM There are so many misconceptions in this thread. People seem to be ignorant of the fact that International intellectual property rights exist, and that no formal requirement is needed to register said property. I'm fairly sure any argument along these lines ends with the content belongs to Relic. And if it doesn't the moment Relic catches a whiff of a lawyer they'll just update their Terms of Service so it does. Bringing lawyers into something like this is the worst possible outcome for all involved. With regards to observing an open and available game this isn't illegal or against Twitch rules, but it is wrong we feel both morally and on a level of decency. That is mainly what the post is about. Discussing whether as a community we find this acceptable and want it to continue, or whether we should implement sanctions and stricter rules Based on the main post I thought this thread was to the effect of "this isn't okay, please stop" rather than "do we think this is this okay or not?" In: Lobby
Thread: An open letter to the CoHmmunity about rebroadcasting4 Apr 2018, 13:12 PM I think we need to be realistic here. As far as I am aware, there are presently no rules from Twitch or Relic against streaming and casting other people's matches, be it from saved replays or Observer Mode. As it stands if someone's determined to parallel cast a tournament match neither Relic nor Twitch is going to stop them. The etiquette argument is a fair one but it's also preaching to the choir unless the people who'd parallel stream your tournament are convinced by it. As I see it that leaves two options. Play hardball and threaten to ban unauthorized parallel streamers from the tournaments you run (which'll probably do more harm than good) or find some sort of mutually beneficial arrangement. Most CoH 2 tournaments I've seen have a lot of matches happening simultaneously. Maybe there's a mutually beneficial deal to be made here? Tournament organizers give permission for parallel streams for most of the tournament and in return those streamers host the finals on their channels. The streamers get permission to live-cast tournament matches and the organizers get a larger viewership for the finals. In: Lobby