Profile of SilentAssassin

Problems I perceive with an Italian faction -

- Not of much military relevance to WWII after 1943 and CoH2 is set in about 1944-45.
- Not enough non-experimental military technology to compete with other factions. The Italians only produced one real medium tank for instance and according to Wikipedia it was only actually used by the Germans.

Going to do a bit of a plug here, I actually spent a fair bit of time working on a third Axis faction concept a while back and ended up arriving at a joint Italian-German faction based on the Luftwaffe Herman Goering division that fought in Italy. You can take a look at it here.

obviusly we can't make a only Italian faction I believe a mix of panzer elite and Italian would work well

I can see what you mean, since I based CoH2's date as 1942-1945 due to the singleplayer campaigns, but mp seems to be centered around '44-'45.

I don't think this will be a problem though, since the U.S. is also missing some of it's major units from '44-'45. In implementing the Carro Armato P/40, I think it should be somewhere in between the T-34 and Sherman in stats and cost. We did design a commander based on experimentals where one of the call ins would be a Carro Armato P/43 which was designed to have a 90mm cannon, but I'm not sure if we should go through with experimentals yet since only a wooden mock up was produced. This faction would really do well with it's defensive emplacements since we found quite a bit of decent equipment. I expect the backbone of the armored force to be centered around self propelled guns though since Semoventes were fairly decent tanks and some of the late models that had low production numbers could be used since the Sturmtiger which only had 19 produced is in the game. Many of these were equipped with 75mm, 90mm, and 105mm cannons and can function in dual roles as an infantry killer as self propelled artillery or AT.

I don't know if someone in the group already wrote this down, but I have thought about adding Afrika Korp commanders due to them being an Expeditionary Force to the Italian Army. I do think we can design the Italian faction without any German forces attached and without heavily inflating the effectiveness of their units. I would be for mixing them with the Germans if the Germans were commanders that could be used.

My advice is scrap the Italian Army idea. I've always supported the idea of adding additional armies who actually fought in ww2, so the idea of adding the Italians is insanity.

To clarify further almost every battle the Italians fought in, the Italians lost or they won thanks to the Germans sending ridiculous amounts of troops, tanks and etc to bail the Italians out. I mean they lost to Ethiopia for christ sakes, and you want to make an army out of that?

I can't support an Italian Army who didn't fight in ww2 to be added to coh2. I do however support the Francais Armee or even an army consisting of British colonial troops(Canadian, Australian and New Zealand infantry, vehicles and etc).

"To clarify further almost every battle the Italians fought in, the Italians lost or they won thanks to the Germans sending ridiculous amounts of troops, tanks and etc to bail the Italians out."

This doesn't apply as CoH2 allows armies to win or lose not depending on historical outcomes, but instead in player skill. In this game you are the commander so high command failures would be your own and logistics and supply exist with the idea that holding points gives you fuel and munitions.

The Italians lost the Italo-Ethiopian war of 1895-1896, not the second one which would be considered pre WWII, so that also has nothing to do with our faction concept. Italy lost 339,200 soldiers in WW2, these were all military deaths, so they had to die somehow.

I would support France as a seperate faction due to having their own equipment, but this would be hard considering they capitulated within 2 weeks, so most tanks and equipment are really early war. Canada, Australia, and New Zealand use British weapons and vehicles with some exceptions. I can see them as a commanders for the UK, since you can make a lot using them.

I'm a mod for a steam group called the Italian COH2 Faction Club and I wanted to get some feedback on some of the ideas we've been discussing to see what other people think of the units within each tier and the commander ideas. Any feedback, positive or negative is welcome, so please share your thoughts. Manpower, fuel, and munitions prices are to be determined and this thread will be updated when we have a fixed idea for those. For now we are just trying to determine if the outline of the concept seems ok.

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/COH2-IFC/discussions/

They are the two pinned discussions named Italian commanders list and Italian Base Buidings BETA 2.0 ( Units, Bases, Balancing )

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