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Thread: AC 2v2 statistics (Wildcard, QT1, QT2, Finals)12 Nov 2018, 22:19 PM

Updated to include the results from the Qualification tournament 1.

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Thread: I haven't seen a Soviet AT gun in at least six months.12 Nov 2018, 10:33 AM

Well, might be that you personally haven't seen an AT gun in a while, but at least checking out the GSC2 meta this would be rather unusual at high level gaming.

Soviet T1 and T2 starts were almost perfectly 50:50, including the winner, Talisman, typically going for T2 (with Cons, obviously, barely anybody tried Maxim spam...).

Moreover, in 113 out of 206 games at least one Zis-gun was build, 191 Zis guns in total. For comparison, Pak-40 appeared in 107 out of 173 Ostheer games, with a total of 162 Pak-40s, which are almost the same ratios; this is even more remarkable considering that Ostheer players almost always had T2 available, whereas (as mentioned) about 50% of Soviet players started with T1.

Edit: Btw, 520 conscript squads where built vs. 262 penals.

I guess, though, that a lot of lower level players do not realize that "upgrading" penals reduces there AI by a significant amount as the typical logic would be that if you pay extra for something, the resulting squad surely should be better in every aspect, right?

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Thread: Qualification Tournament One6 Nov 2018, 13:07 PM

6 Nov 2018, 12:25 PMvasa1719

I whanna think that both team will be in same situation, not one will be must show there screen and another nope. Coz imo for one side its can be bad position, that another side can use. So its will be okey if both team will be in same position. Also who will be watch? Why players must trust for this guys, coz i dont trust, what if thay will be talk units and another stuff, like we see some players for the win try make bad things, so make things like this for them and there dogs is normal. Many questions, 0 answers.

6 Nov 2018, 12:39 PMSturmpanther

I have no idea what you wrote and ask for sorry. Maybe try it in a new run?

6 Nov 2018, 12:43 PMvasa1719

Maybe i write it in russian/ukranian and you will be use google? Coz i am tired from this trolling that people dont undestand my english when thay dont have arguments and cannot answer. I show this post for englishman friend and he undestand it, hm, looks strange.

Ah, well, Sturmpanther is not native speaker either, so cut him some slack already...

I'll try to moderate. Sturmpanther, I think what Vasa (I think) says is that he thinks it would be more fair if both teams would share their screen rather than just one. Also, he is concerned that whoever is watching the screen of one team could help the other team.

Sturmpanther will probably answer those, but frankly, if I have to guess his reply will be along these lines:

Referees will check the shared screens. While it obviously would be possible that a referee is favoring one team, it would be incredibly "unprofessional" for a referee to intentionally help said team. You wouldn't actually accuse one of the referees to be that unprofessional, right?
The players that were accused of cheating, volunteered to share their screen. They were not forced to do so (although according to the rules it might very well happen that referees may ask any team to share their screen).
I don't see how asking both teams to share their screen would in any way make this more fair. It only would be unfair anyways if the ref would pass info to the opposing team. He still could do so, even if he sees the screens of both teams (actually, he probably could give even better advice).

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Thread: AC 2v2 statistics (Wildcard, QT1, QT2, Finals)5 Nov 2018, 22:33 PM

5 Nov 2018, 21:34 PMOutsider_Sidaroth

Who played USF/UKF?
That low ammount of games played but very high win % makes me think of a few players using that combo.

Ciez & GiaA (3 games)
supajou & Haha hey (4 games)
ElZocko & VonManteuffel (2 games)
Stark & Sully (3 games)

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Thread: AC 2v2 statistics (Wildcard, QT1, QT2, Finals)5 Nov 2018, 21:11 PM

5 Nov 2018, 20:26 PMmurky depths

I'm used to St. Dev = https://study.com/cimages/multimages/16/standard-deviation-formulas.jpg but those require ratio/interval data, and I was curious what you used to get an St.Dev for categorical variables.

Yeah, well, there are different approaches of how you can tackle this (see e.g. Bootstrapping).

Details vary, but the idea is basically that instead of computing the win% from all games, you use different subsets of games and compute win% only for those. You end up with a different value for each subset. You can then estimate the devitation from the values for the different subsets.

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Thread: AC 2v2 statistics (Wildcard, QT1, QT2, Finals)5 Nov 2018, 20:11 PM

5 Nov 2018, 20:01 PMmurky depths

I'd like to ask, since faction pick is a categorical choice, what are you using to calculate standard deviation?

Standard deviations are given for the win% and are estimated with a bootstrapping method.

It's a pretty rough estimate anyways, in particular given the low number of samples and that I ignore the granularity of the problem. Main reason for me to include anything like that is mostly to remind people that they should take these numbers with a grain of salt and not start threads like "Stats prove Axis wins 51% of time, nerf plz!"

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Thread: AC 2v2 statistics (Wildcard, QT1, QT2, Finals)5 Nov 2018, 19:43 PM

UPDATE: Now also contains games for Qualification tournament 1 (12.11.2018)
UPDATE: Now also contains games for Qualification tournament 2 (26.11.2018)
UPDATE: Added games for the final round (12.12.2018)

Ok, cheap-ass job here, these are the stats for the ac 2v2 tournament. Brackets are here. Also, added the games for the first qualification tournament (brackets). And now also for the 2nd qualifier (brackets). Finally, brackets for the final round are here.

The total number of games I found are 161 (64 from the wildcard, 37 from qualifier one, 33 from qualifier two, 27 for the finals). According to the brackets there should be one more game in the wildcard round, but I wasn't able to find the second game of Barton/Frost vs. Bulat/LUCKBAR.

Wildcard

Total number of games: 64

Factions

	ostheer	soviets	okw	usf	ukf
picked	67	66	61	19	43
won	31	33	27	9	28
won(%)	46	50	44	47	65
Std. dev.(%)	6	3	9	12	4

Teams

	ostheer/ostheer	ostheer/okw	okw/okw	soviets/soviets	soviets/usf	soviets/ukf	usf/usf	usf/ukf	ukf/ukf
Picked	9	49	6	15	5	31	1	12	0
Won	4	23	2	7	0	19	0	9	0
Won(%)	44	47	33	47	0	61	0	75	X
Std. dev.(%)	13	6	17	17	0	9	0	17	X

Maps

games	avg. length (min)	max length (min)	map name
26	29	53	Elst Outskirts
16	35	65	Crossing in the Woods
10	38	54	Rails and Metal
8	39	63	Alliance of Defiance
4	34	47	Vaux Farmlands

Qualification 1:

Total number of games: 37

Factions

	ostheer	soviets	okw	usf	ukf
picked	67	66	61	19	43
won	31	33	27	9	28
won(%)	46	50	44	47	65
Std. dev.(%)	6	3	9	12	4

Teams

	ostheer/ostheer	ostheer/okw	okw/okw	soviets/soviets	soviets/usf	soviets/ukf	usf/usf	usf/ukf	ukf/ukf
Picked	9	49	6	15	5	31	1	12	0
Won	4	23	2	7	0	19	0	9	0
Won(%)	44	47	33	47	0	61	0	75	X
Std. dev.(%)	13	6	17	17	0	9	0	17	X

Maps

games	avg. length (min)	max length (min)	map name
26	29	53	Elst Outskirts
16	35	65	Crossing in the Woods
10	38	54	Rails and Metal
8	39	63	Alliance of Defiance
4	34	47	Vaux Farmlands

Qualification 2:

Total number of games: 33

Factions

	ostheer	soviets	okw	usf	ukf
picked	35	41	31	14	11
won	16	23	14	9	4
won(%)	46	56	45	64	36
Std. dev.(%)	5	11	5	16	9

Teams

	ostheer/ostheer	ostheer/okw	okw/okw	soviets/soviets	soviets/usf	soviets/ukf	usf/usf	usf/ukf	ukf/ukf
Picked	8	19	6	11	9	10	2	1	0
Won	4	8	3	7	5	4	2	0	0
Won(%)	50	42	50	64	56	40	100	0	-
Std. dev.(%)	17	10	18	15	13	10	0	0	-

Maps

games	avg. length (min)	max length (min)	map name
13	36	55	Elst Outskirts
8	29	49	Rails and Metal
6	44	56	Vaux Farmlands
4	44	74	Alliance of Defiance
2	42	47	Crossing in the Woods

Finals

Total number of games: 27

Factions

	ostheer	soviets	okw	usf	ukf
picked	67	66	61	19	43
won	31	33	27	9	28
won(%)	46	50	44	47	65
Std. dev.(%)	6	3	9	12	4

Teams

	ostheer/ostheer	ostheer/okw	okw/okw	soviets/soviets	soviets/usf	soviets/ukf	usf/usf	usf/ukf	ukf/ukf
Picked	9	49	6	15	5	31	1	12	0
Won	4	23	2	7	0	19	0	9	0
Won(%)	44	47	33	47	0	61	0	75	X
Std. dev.(%)	13	6	17	17	0	9	0	17	X

Maps

games	avg. length (min)	max length (min)	map name
26	29	53	Elst Outskirts
16	35	65	Crossing in the Woods
10	38	54	Rails and Metal
8	39	63	Alliance of Defiance
4	34	47	Vaux Farmlands

Total number of games: 161

Factions

	ostheer	soviets	okw	usf	ukf
picked	163	184	159	45	93
won	74	99	76	19	54
won(%)	45	54	48	42	58
Std. dev.(%)	5	4	4	11	4

Teams

	ostheer/ostheer	ostheer/okw	okw/okw	soviets/soviets	soviets/usf	soviets/ukf	usf/usf	usf/ukf	ukf/ukf
Picked	32	99	30	51	17	65	6	16	6
Won	12	50	13	28	6	37	2	9	4
Won(%)	38	51	43	55	35	57	33	56	67
Std. dev.(%)	9	7	4	5	12	5	24	18	17

Maps

games	avg. length (min)	max length (min)	map name
63	34	69	Elst Outskirts
34	35	65	Crossing in the Woods
32	33	54	Rails & Metal
20	42	76	Alliance of Defiance
12	41	64	Vaux Farmlands

Map stats

Elst Outskirts

Factions:

	ostheer	soviets	okw	usf	ukf
picked	57	67	69	21	38
won	23	36	33	11	23
won(%)	40	54	48	52	61

Teams:

	ostheer/ostheer	ostheer/okw	okw/okw	soviets/soviets	soviets/usf	soviets/ukf	usf/usf	usf/ukf	ukf/ukf
Picked	11	35	17	17	7	26	4	6	3
Won	2	19	7	10	2	14	2	5	2
Won(%)	18	54	41	59	29	54	50	83	67

Crossing in the Woods

Factions:

	ostheer	soviets	okw	usf	ukf
picked	29	36	39	7	25
won	13	20	19	1	15
won(%)	45	56	49	14	60

Teams:

	ostheer/ostheer	ostheer/okw	okw/okw	soviets/soviets	soviets/usf	soviets/ukf	usf/usf	usf/ukf	ukf/ukf
Picked	2	25	7	7	1	21	2	2	1
Won	0	13	3	4	0	12	0	1	1
Won(%)	0	52	43	57	0	57	0	50	100

Rails & Metal

Factions:

	ostheer	soviets	okw	usf	ukf
picked	39	41	25	6	17
won	19	22	13	2	8
won(%)	49	54	52	33	47

Teams:

	ostheer/ostheer	ostheer/okw	okw/okw	soviets/soviets	soviets/usf	soviets/ukf	usf/usf	usf/ukf	ukf/ukf
Picked	9	21	2	15	1	10	0	5	1
Won	5	9	2	8	0	6	0	2	0
Won(%)	56	43	100	53	0	60	-	40	0

Alliance of Defiance

Factions:

	ostheer	soviets	okw	usf	ukf
picked	22	28	18	6	6
won	12	13	8	3	4
won(%)	55	46	44	50	67

Teams:

	ostheer/ostheer	ostheer/okw	okw/okw	soviets/soviets	soviets/usf	soviets/ukf	usf/usf	usf/ukf	ukf/ukf
Picked	5	12	3	10	4	4	0	2	0
Won	3	6	1	4	2	3	0	1	0
Won(%)	60	50	33	40	50	75	-	50	-

Vaux Farmlands

Factions:

	ostheer	soviets	okw	usf	ukf
picked	16	12	8	5	7
won	7	8	3	2	4
won(%)	44	67	37	40	57

Teams:

	ostheer/ostheer	ostheer/okw	okw/okw	soviets/soviets	soviets/usf	soviets/ukf	usf/usf	usf/ukf	ukf/ukf
Picked	5	6	1	2	4	4	0	1	1
Won	2	3	0	2	2	2	0	0	1
Won(%)	40	50	0	100	50	50	-	0	100

Wildcard:
Most damage done by Zodiak! (101891)
Longest game was TwistedTootsy/Dr. Zaius vs. VonManteuffel/ElZocko on Crossing which took 65 minutes.

Qualification one:
Most damage done by Talisman (154180) who played (together with Tüme) vs. Price and Prodigly on AOD in the so far longest match overall (76 minutes).

Qualification two:
Most damage was done by Rutra (94529) playing with Dzaraa vs. Hans and DevM on AOD in what also was the longest match of that tournament (73 minutes).

Finals:I
The most damage was done by Isildur (110352) in what also was the longest game (68 Minutes) in the semi-finals playing with VonAsten against Kimbo and Stuve on Elst outskirts.

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Thread: commander-preview-2vs2-tourney21 Oct 2018, 17:24 PM

20 Oct 2018, 14:51 PMvasa1719

Man, how you do taht, what you use ?

Magic :kappa:

20 Oct 2018, 19:21 PMVipper

I would like to ask help in order to better evaluate the revamped commanders. Would it possible to check out, how many times doctrinal units and abilities where used in this tournament?

Sorry, that would require replay files and I don't think there are many (if any at all...).

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Thread: commander-preview-2vs2-tourney19 Oct 2018, 18:24 PM

19 Oct 2018, 09:47 AMSander93

True, but it's better than nothing. I wouldn't use the CRP tourney stats to directly contradict the GCS2 ones but they would certainly be able to nuance them.

Ok,just using the BO3 rounds... That means quarter finals and semi finals. Apparently, the finals didn't happen yet; according to the brackets the game for 3rd did happen, but I haven't found them so far. Furthermore I only have 2 games of COHEXPERTS vs. IVA (according to the brackets there should be 3).

So, we are talking about solid 14 games here

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I found           14  valid matches!
#        GER SOV OKW USF UKF
Picked    11  16  17   4   8
Won        3  11   7   1   6
Won (%)   27  69  41  25  75 
+/- (%)   19  13   7  26  16 
 
           OH/OH   OH/OKW OKW/OKW SOV/SOV SOV/USF SOV/UKF USF/USF USF/UKF UKF/UKF
Picked        2       7       5       3       2       8       1       0       0
Won           1       1       3       2       1       6       0       0       0
Won (%)      50      14      60      67      50      75       0       X       X
+/- (%)      63      15      24      37      63      16       0       X       X 
 
 Maps:           4
 Games Name
   8  34  55   4p_elst_outskirts               
   3  33  42   4p_crossing_in_the_woods        
   2  32  42   4p_rails_and_metal              
   1  40  40   4p_vaux_farmlands               
#
 Most damage
 Match id:    154695272
 Match t1:   1539452027
 Matchtype:           0
 Map:      4p_elst_outskirts
 Match took           54  Minutes!
 Played:13.10.2018 - 17:33:47
 Player      594726 :/steam/76561198008797343 SOV       75372           0 Big Talis
 Player     2702817 :/steam/76561198449432202 OKW       68437           1 Reto.Dzokonda
 Player      368540 :/steam/76561197993424783 UKF       50460           0 [NS] TüMe
 Player       38252 :/steam/76561198069018038 OKW       57904           1 Reto.RedBjarne
 Damage was        75372
#
 Average game length:          33  minutes.
#
 Longest match
 Match id:    154695272
 Match t1:   1539452027
 Matchtype:           0
 Map:      4p_elst_outskirts
 Match took           54  Minutes!
 Played:13.10.2018 - 17:33:47
 Player      594726 :/steam/76561198008797343 SOV       75372           0 Big Talis
 Player     2702817 :/steam/76561198449432202 OKW       68437           1 Reto.Dzokonda
 Player      368540 :/steam/76561197993424783 UKF       50460           0 [NS] TüMe
 Player       38252 :/steam/76561198069018038 OKW       57904           1 Reto.RedBjarne
 It took           54  minutes.
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Thread: commander-preview-2vs2-tourney19 Oct 2018, 16:16 PM

19 Oct 2018, 09:47 AMSander93

True, but it's better than nothing. I wouldn't use the CRP tourney stats to directly contradict the GCS2 ones but they would certainly be able to nuance them.

I see what I can do, but frankly, any team tournament organized on battlefy is a painful to deal with for me...

Moreover, looks like only the last couple of rounds are BO3 and according to Battlefy the final even hasn't been played yet?

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