Yeah Ostwind needs some sort of buff, but that still doesn´t make the T34/76 OP in comparison to the P4. Not sure why people can´t just discuss the Ostwind without comparing it to completly different units in completly different tech-systems.
No, you don't get the point. You need to compare to the choices others can get if you pick Ostwind and as many times said Ostwind is useless to build. T34/76 isn't OP, but for it's price it is performing very well compared to price of Ostwind and what it's supposed to do. |
How convenient to just show one fight and not upgrade the P4 with pintle. I can see right through your bullshit. So don´t even bother proving how OP the T34 76 is LOL
Other cost less and other needs to spend ammo for pintle to start doing something. It really shows the performance issue with P4 and it's cost for OST faction. They should just give OST the OKW P4. |
So build T34s instead of ostwinds.
Oh wait, you are comparing completely different unit archetypes for completely different factions on opposing sides with completely different balancing(one having cheap, weak stuff, other having expensive and better stuff).
T34/76 is being stomped by P4, regardless of both being vet0 or vet3, do you also want to address that performance issue?
That's stretching and comparing apples to oranges as far as it gets.
We are talking about Ostwind here and how utterly useless it is to build for OST faction. And as you aren't even playing the game anymore P4 isn't the old P4 when it actually did something, it's been nerfed to the ground. I would actually say it's now only equal vs T34/76 while it costs more and usually have to fight better armored T34/85. |
"damage_all_in_hold" effects units that are in garrison or HT.
T-34/76 might have higher reload but it start firing faster with veterancy. Actually if one compares to Ostwind T-34/76 cost about the same while being superior against most target that are not planes.
One of the many problems with Ostwind and it's performance is that for the same price soviets can have t34/76 which is superior in everything compared to Ostwind. Only thing T34/76 can't do is shoot planes. |
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No, conscripts are fine as they are now. Yes they cost 240 to build, but you can build them from the start. They aren't supposed to be a infantry unit you just spam to fill your front lines and think they will hold in every phase of the game (with doctrine choice they can work). Conscript mp reinforce cost is dirt cheap already. Point I am trying to say that soviet players think that they can play conscript spam, because they are seeing gren spam from OST and this logic is wrong how the soviets work. |
Not being able to steamroll whole factions early game with no support is hardly same as becoming piece of shit.
And its not supposed to perform better in late game(although its THE very best and cheapest light vehicle with THE very best scaling in game thanks to being immune to 2nd ATG shot being a kill shot at vet) , its T34 of light vehicles, mobile, cheap, fights both infantry and armor, effective in numbers, but outclassed by more expensive stuff.
It never survives the 2nd shot of ATG as every single firearm dps on it deals extra damage to it all the time. Even the UC has better armor vs small firearm dps than flame HT. |
Flame HT is stupidly strong, ukf has no counters early enough
You can easily have AT-gun on the field when it hits and Daimler comes very fast after it. Even fast Bofors will make you hold your territory easily. |
Thats is why the 222 got so expensive. It is NOT to waist it and it will be a waist at such situations. Also it becomes irrelevant in lategame. Instead of T70 and AEC. Ok, it is better at AA as Ostwind...
If you fight frontal versus 2 Tommies at a range the MG has good DPS you will lose 2/3 of its HP. Thats not how a AI verhicle should work like. And UK will get a AT-grenade.
The way to go, more armor for the 222. Normal rifels and normal MGs shouldn't pen it. Lets say, Vickers without Vet and Maxim.
I would let Vicker's penetrate it as well as MG42 can Daimler. Anyway Daimler armour is too high anyway as it was the same as 222 --> Armoured Car, not a damn light tank. |
It's exactly the same when Ostheer refuses to hardcounter (i.e. Puma) the T-70 and stall for medium armor instead. It's a risk and sometimes it doesn't pay off.
Yes you hardcounter with Puma when you don't even have a choice for puma. It's not like Soviets don't have every single tool in core choices to counter flame HT and it's not like it doesn't die super easily. |
The recent balance patch focused too much on tweaking 2v2 play and dismissed this game breaking unit that has spreading nightmare and discord all over 1v1.
Can we please fix this overperforming vehicle at least quicker than the fanboys can whine about it being overnerfed?
Yes after brumbar time to nerf another vehicle off OST choices. Think we will at some point need to talk of making OST infantry 3 man squads so every single explosion can squad wipe easier. |
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