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Thread: OKW's 221 is too weak for its 20 fuel cost24 Dec 2018, 12:47 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2018, 12:45 PMLago It's not meant to be. If it were, you'd see them spammed. Imagine playing against Soviet T1 as USF. The purpose of the 221 is to provide some helpful extra firepower and anti-team weapon support before the 223 upgrade unlocks. The 223 upgrade turns it into an anti-infantry 222 with a load of useful support abilities. It can also turn into a cache when you're not using it to pay back its fuel cost. It is, first and foremost, a utility vehicle. If you'd rather an anti-infantry shock unit, build the Luchs. There's a world of difference between being useless and being a shock unit. The 221 is useful if you have it. Opel trucks aren't fast, armoured and armed. No one said it should be a shock unit, read my suggestions. Opel truck is also cheaper and hardy used in 1vs1. In 2vs2 cashes are simply better. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW's 221 is too weak for its 20 fuel cost24 Dec 2018, 12:46 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2018, 12:42 PMgbem Note that usf ukf and sov dont get T0 AT guns or snares without sidetechs or vet... Give The allies t0 at guns... and free snares without sidetechs on basic units and sure we can buff the 221... otherwise its fine as it is... 221 need tech and allot of fuel, both USF and UKF can counter it. Also read my suggestions, the unit should not be design against infantry. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW's 221 is too weak for its 20 fuel cost24 Dec 2018, 12:35 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2018, 12:30 PMLago And the Kubel had its armour reduced because small arms, all USF and UKF have to fight it early on, weren't reliable against it. Kubel does not require tech cost and it is allot cheaper. Kubel spam was a problem but the unit is hardy used now, the 221 is simply not cost efficient. Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2018, 12:30 PMLago You make it more powerful, you turn it into a shock unit. You turn it into a shock unit, Elite Armor doctrine will become oppressive. And making it useless make revamping the commander pointless. Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2018, 12:30 PMLago As a non-upgradable unit, it'd be pretty meh. But it isn't a non-upgradeable unit. If you don't like the 221, don't buy it before your truck is up, then turn it into a 223 straight away. The 223 is simply a more durable OPEL truck with 30 fuel cost and 4 pop and thus inferior. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Increase light jaegars price24 Dec 2018, 12:31 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2018, 11:13 AMSupremeStefan I try blob them but they are so sqishy and rifles are cheaper serously they only works when u have one squad for recon and support Maybe you are doing something wrong. It seem that some high level player are using pathfinder allot. Check their streams. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW's 221 is too weak for its 20 fuel cost24 Dec 2018, 12:06 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2018, 11:47 AMLago The 221 is about as good as it can be in that price in that window. No it is not it has only 1 armor more than Kubel, which come earlier and and is much cheaper. Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2018, 11:47 AMLago The Clown Car works because it's up against a faction with Vet 0 extra-long range snares on most of the units it'll have at that point, and a faction with a T0 AT gun. The 221 is up against USF, which has snares locked behind Vet 1, and UKF, which has both mines and snares on a T1 engineer unit. If you turn the 221 into a potent shock unit against mainline infantry, you'll see it every game. You'd be giving the already strong early game faction a powerful super-light vehicle its opponents can't counter properly. The balance team did a good job making the 223 work: it rolls out as a passable light vehicle that provides useful but not game-changing fire support in its window. Once you have access to the 223 upgrade, the 221's window has passed and you upgrade them. Once things get too hot for the 223, you set it up on a fuel point and it pays back the 30 fuel you spent on it. No it should no be very good vs infantry, but it should be better vs cars. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Increase light jaegars price24 Dec 2018, 10:46 AM Infiltration infantry should have 2 way of entering the field. Being able to be built from HQ at normal price and able to be spawn from ambient at premium cost. That would help balancing this unis allot. On the other side Pathfinder seem to be spammed allot also. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW's 221 is too weak for its 20 fuel cost24 Dec 2018, 10:06 AM Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2018, 09:55 AMTher200 You are comparing the fuel only with the combat effectiveness against eachother. Whilst to cost for a unit comes from much more aspects. - The combat effectiveness against all other units it might face. - Other utitlities (smoke, med crates, riegels, 223 potential with its abilities) Besides this i think the 221 performs fine. The other utility like riegel is great, just let me know when you plant one. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW's 221 is too weak for its 20 fuel cost24 Dec 2018, 09:37 AM Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2018, 02:35 AMJae For Jett I just want to refocus discussion. What do people feel the issue with the 221/223 is (if any): Is the 221 coming too late? Is the 221 too expensive? Is the 221 too vulnerable to small arms? Is the 221 too vulnerable to non-small arms (weapons with pen greater than 1, in this case)? Is the 221 not killing infantry well enough? Is the 221 not killing snipers well enough? Is the 221 not killing vehicles well enough? Is the 221 not bringing enough utility? The bulk of the discussion so far is about how well the 221 does against the m3. If the issue is that it doesnt do well enough against vehicles, then I would think along the lines of a pen buff, as this doesnt risk breaking its performance against infantry targets, and still keeps it vulnerable to small arms (which we probably do want, considering its timing window, pending any arguments otherwise). As a armored car: The unit tech cost and cost is simply too high. Given the starting fuel of OKW the 221 is very expensive and comes too late while it does not counter other cars effectively. The unit has 1 armor over kubel while costing more and coming later. As a resources vehicle it is more expensive Opel with a 30 fuel cost and 4 pop. The unit simply need a redesign. Designed as a counter to armored car/snipers, durable with medium lethality vs infantry. Replace the Opel mechanics with the a timed version of the siphon mechanics (that used to be available to kubel). Shared veterancy should be removed, as from many other units. It should only be available to support units that vet very slowly like the 251 In: COH2 Balance
Thread: moving the soviet sniper flare to vet 023 Dec 2018, 18:16 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2018, 18:08 PMaddvaluejack Is there a website or a database where I can find which type of flare will reveal cloaked units? I remember that my Raketen got revealed by UKF's flare, but I have no idea which type of flare UKF is using. maybe testing in cheat mod would be faster In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Give me back MP44 Storm Rifle upgrade option14 Dec 2018, 00:57 AM try checking the stats of the weapon the name does not mean allot In: COH2 Balance