As i said, that far dmg (the "contribute" in your sentence) must be noticeable or noone will use them, but then if it is noticeable on sapper it will create issues on section, so far and so on. while still scale poorly due to to utilities.
I would equip my Ro.E. over Piat. More AI DPS than Piats, longer range and decent, reliable AT, but that might be just my personal preference.
March 28th... 2017, come on. In 2019 the price was temporarily adjusted from one patch to the next while figuring out the values for the DPS improvement, so you can scrap those. Storms just received an update to match PGren standard (3x G43) after having their STG 44s replaced by MP 40s. In summary, the only major change to the Jaeger Light Infantry upgrade in over 3 years was the DPS buff for the PGren variant.
The ability has seen more change than many other abilities and it remains to be seen if these are the correct values.
(also check how many thing have been tested within each patch)
It very probable that LMG with same price will be a better choice.
I stand by my suggestion, scarp the upgrade and start working from JLC or start with G43 at around M1 level.
Your posts in this current discussion speak of the PPSH upgrade as an upgrade, not as a new "Frontovik" squad. I want to debate exactly what I posted, I'm not reiterating.
Suggestions:
The unit is too cost efficient with mobilize.
Replace with call-in unit CP 1 unit
remove bolt action rifles
Remove hit the dirt from the ability. Make it a separate ability (or merge is conscript repair or rapid conscription)
Can you describe exactly what your six PPSH conscript/Frontovik squad would look like, and how this would not be a nerf?
Little point in going into detail unless someone decides to go for it. Yet the vet bonuses, price, abilities would be better fine tuned for such a unit.
i thought we are moving away from the time that at rifle do both ai and at dmg, and event if we came back to that, boys will obviously being long range whike sapper having smg and thus they dont fit together. Further more, If the long range ai dmg isnt notiable, noone will use them since they cant scale beyon LV phase so pp will get PIAT for at anway. On the other hand, poor scaling is exacly what happening with at section now and evnt the PIAT upgade is not going to help them since PIAT is bad compare to zoock/shreck for a dedicate at squad plus their abilities is redundant, so pp end up keep the boy for at least some ai. PIAT on sapper at least cheap and being stock
I do not think it work that way. RE do little damage long range. With Boys they would contribute without having to move into the fray.
Imo a free slot on the commander with Boys on truck would be an improvement, you might think differently and that is fine by me.
VGs receive other things along with their MP40s, though. Improved RA and the Smoke Grenade being the main factors (The HE is also nice, but the former two are the big things for me).
EDIT: They're also supported by Obersoldaten, whereas Conscripts are not, so that's worth considering.
Giving Conscripts an HE and Smoke makes them step a little too much on Shocks' toes, so other than what I suggested, I don't see what you'll be doing to PPSH cons to make your suggestion not a nerf.
I agree that them having Bolt Actions and SMGs in the same squad is odd, but it is as it is for a gameplay reason, this shouldn't be changed for what seems to be an aesthetic disagreement.
We actually agree that it would better for different squad than an upgrade so I am not sure what you want to debate.
One time? In the past 3+ years the only thing that got adjusted about the Jaeger Light Infantry upgrade was the DPS for the PGren G43s, and they are good now.
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once can easy stall for cp1 by dual vicker or UC, and then raid section allow them skip all side tech in the HQ (nade, rack and bolster), which is unheathy.
In the current implementation it is.
As you say they unit need a clearly defined role.
If it a mainline it should not start with 5 entities and should one range it that is good.
If it is support unit it should have less DPS more utility so that one will not depend on them for fighting.
Boy At rifle alone is redundant compare to PIAT. Tank hunter section simply can use some more utilities.
Boys is actually very good and almost never upgrade AT Hunter with Piat. It would probably be a good upgrade for Sappers, but other things might work also. If it moved to truck then AT hunter can be replaced with another ability.
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