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Thread: Redesign Penal battalions10 May 2017, 10:49 AM Jump back to quoted post10 May 2017, 09:01 AMMaret Easiest way is rework cons not tone down all other WFA infantry. What work is easieast - with 1 object or with 3 different? If you tone down WFA infantry, it's not change situation with weapon upgrades. If cons will be strong as WFA infantry it will be huge disbalance, because you will need STG upgrades to deal with cons. And after that you will be must to work with ALL infantry in game....Dead loop. And don't forget about penals and soviet elite infantry. With toned down WFA infantry they will be looking as gods in comparison to them. No it is not. As I have explained high lethality means that fight last very little time and more RNG than tactical. If for instance assault infantry lose half their models on approach they become useless. On the September patch small arm fire where about balanced and only small adjustment where needed after that: 1) Tommies where introduced 2) Penal had their far DPS doubled 3) VG got the weird MP44 4) Riflemen got a T0 mortar all this destroyed the infantry balance. The way to is nerf upgunned VG, riflemen, Tommies and Penals. In addition Soviet have some design in mind that leaves room for Penal/conscripts and Elite infantry and that is what is suggested here. In: Lobby
Thread: Redesign Penal battalions10 May 2017, 08:54 AM Again the problem is not Conscripts themselves the problem is that other infantry are OP. High lethality make fight more RNG and less tactical. The WFA armies should be toned down to EFA levels and not the other way round. In: Lobby
Thread: Redesign Penal battalions10 May 2017, 07:59 AM Jump back to quoted post10 May 2017, 07:35 AMMaret Without reworked conscripts is no way to rework penals, because now no one soviet don't build conscripts. Penals comparison to conscripts looking very good. Conscripts right now is only selfguided AT grenade and nothing else (i even can't remember when i last time saw molotols....). Right way - rework conscripts and only THEN rework penals looking on new conscripts. Actually conscript are not that bad since they have not received buff or nerf for a long time. It the VG, Riflemen and Tommies that are OP and need to be nerfed. As I have explained infantry that are available before minute 1 should be re balanced as they where in September patch with "weapon profiles" and "relative positioning" in mind. Idea behind the suggestion is that Conscript should become more defensive oriented and Penal should become cheap and more aggressive oriented. Giving the option to upgrade them to elite infantry would allow to remain relevant in late game. In: Lobby
Thread: Redesign Penal battalions10 May 2017, 06:49 AM Jump back to quoted post10 May 2017, 05:58 AM__deleted__ +1 The 20 seconds tier1 build time is big setback on itself. You literaly give your enemy 20 seconds of opportunity, to get key locations/buildings/cap. That´s the main reason why many players are going 3 engi into tier 1 right now - to save time and get those key positions Off Topic: And that is one of the issues with Ostheer who have waste time to build T1 to get a mainline infantry or built 2 pioneers. On the other hand that does not change the fact that Penal are the strongest infantry in their time frame and the problems that derive from that. In: Lobby
Thread: sturm pio long range dmg9 May 2017, 15:28 PM The answer to OP question can be found in the patch notes: "Small Arms Weapon Profiles The goal is to improve tactics by better defining unit roles; thereby, increasing the importance of unit positioning relative to cover. A weapon profile defines the distribution of damage over distance. Previously, the profiles were generally flat and did not fully characterize the strengths and weaknesses of a squad. Now, a Pioneer squad with a MP40 submachine gun has a very high damage output at close range but a substantially lower damage output at max range. The distribution of damage is no longer blended between ranges; this combined with the increased weapon lethality should reduce the tendency to rush infantry at one another. Keep in mind the weapon profiles represent the damage output of only a handful of units in live. Each profile will see an increase or decrease in damage output depending on the squad’s value. For example, a 100 manpower pioneer squad might do less close range damage than a 300 manpower Grenadier squad despite the pioneer MP40 submachine gun being a close range weapon. Hence, the value of a unit scales the weapon profile accordingly." Basically in an ideal situation the type of weapon profile would set determine the shape of the curve and the value of the unit the level of DPS (and/or area). In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Why sgt44 are in fact mp40?9 May 2017, 15:19 PM Jump back to quoted post9 May 2017, 15:00 PMDangerous-Cloth Because game design and balance? STG on volks and pgrens and stormtroopers and sturmpioneers are good enough. I would say they make vet 5 volks too strong even. The MP44 VG does not use the Weapon profile of an assault rifle and has little to do with the MP44 Weapon other units use. It has imo proven problematic. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Redesign Penal battalions9 May 2017, 08:55 AM Jump back to quoted post9 May 2017, 08:10 AMnee But you still just have Conscripts = Penals, and Penals =Shocks/ Guards. You make doctrinal units redundant entirely. Conscripts getting SVTs is even less of what you get when you just train vanilla Penals. Conscripts are basically there for doctrinal stuff, AT grenades and Merge. Though to be fair that's pretty much how it can only go, without actually redesigning Guards and Shocks. The better idea is to try to improve Conscripts without making them Penals 2.0, or ersatz Shocks. We already have that with Penal PTRS Actually no. The design is about turning: 1)Conscripts into a defensive infantry good at mid range 2)Turning Penal into a cheap flanking infantry that can later be upgraded In: Lobby
Thread: Redesign Penal battalions9 May 2017, 07:07 AM Jump back to quoted post8 May 2017, 22:27 PMnee Problem is that it doesn't so much delay doctrinal choice but risk making them irrelevant. Penal Ppsh means no point choosing Conscript Ppsh package and Shock Troops, in the same way Penal PTRS replaces Guards. Penals have a complicate history that's more than mere human wave expendable infantry consisting of thugs; not like historical accuracy matters anyways. Conscripts could easily have their PPsh upgrade replaced with 6 toned SVT improving their performance where their are designed to fight mid. Mixing Smg and bolt action rifles is bad design. The difference with Shock troops is substantial since they would be cheap and expendable instead of tough and expensive. In: Lobby
Thread: Satchel instant exploding when crushed8 May 2017, 22:45 PM A simple improvement would be to reduce the AI AOE of the satchel that targets vehicles. In: COH2 Bugs
Thread: Redesign Penal battalions8 May 2017, 12:22 PM Jump back to quoted post8 May 2017, 12:05 PM__deleted__ I don´t know. First we´ll have to focus on fixing conscripts and call ins problem (infantry and tanks alike), before we move to "more cosmetical issues" Once can not simply "Fix" conscripts on their own. All infantry available before minute one need to be rebalanced as it was done in the September patch around the principles of weapon profiles and relative positioning. Finally Conscript seem to less bad then people claim since they where used in the tournament extensively and Soviet had some of the highest win rates. They= issue seems to have more to do with allowing room for all Soviet infantry units to be used than "fixing" a specific unit, and that it the direction of proposed solution. So for each time a Soviet unit is "fixed" all other Soviet units are left in oblivion. In: Lobby