At vet 3 the SU-85 has a reload of 4.52. The Jagdpanzer has 4.50 at vet 3. When reaching its second set of reload reductions it now has a reload rate of 3.825.
Trying to reduce this to a benefit of "3.5%" is really childish. You know perfectly well that the Jagdpanzer having a 23.5% reduction in reload rate is SIGNIFICANTLY stronger than the SU-85 having 20%, and it would still be significantly advantaged if they both had the same bonus of 20% given that the Jagdpanzer has a much better reload rate to begin with. Stop arguing in bad faith.
And as I have pointed out SU-85 get the a better reload bonus earlier. So unless it very long game it does not really matter.
Things are simple JP has slight reload bonus at vet 0 that become non significant by vet 3 which SU-85 can reach earlier. When and if the JP manages to get to vet 4 it get a reload advantage and that is according to original OKW design.
Now pls stop with the "childish" comments.
Weapon accuracy * target size. Feel free to describe how you got this "50%" figure.
You have not mention which weapons thou.
The chance of collision hit an estimation from my part.
I'm aware that it doesn't get it until vet 5, though you didn't provide any context to your assertion that it "bags out the unit half the time and does fire[sic]" either.
If you are aware than the claim that a JP "and the other half of the time you get +25% Accuracy, Penetration, and Damage." is simply false because JPs start at vet 0 and not vet 5 and that is most games and cases does not have access to these bonuses.
Not firing when cloaked is bug and if you use the unit yourself you will see it happen.
You mean "Or". Mark Vehicle and tank cloaking are not in the same commander, you don't get both at once.
Ok now you simply trolling since I did not claim that there is the same commander and it is rather irrelevant.
You're welcome to have no issue with whatever you want. It doesn't mean anyone else has to agree though. Would the JP be keeping its significantly better reload rate if it gains additional penetration as well?
So in your opinion is swapping the 160HP for 20% a buff or nerf?
Yes, fine. I was talking in terms of just the soviets, but didn't actually specify. The comet and churchill exist in one of three potential factions, however, whereas both axis factions have nondoctrinal
Plenty of doctrines are used that do not feature heavy tanks, whereas stock units are always available.
The P4 costs 20 less MP but 5 more fuel. It isnt strictly "cheaper". This is also pointlessly reductive.
Allow to rephrase if facing mediums PzIV is simply a more cost efficient solution because it can counter them and provide AI.
I gave you an answer.
You gave an answer to a different question than the one I asked.
So let me ask you the question that originally asked:
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Now pls answer a simply question would you consider lowering JP4 armor to 140 while increasing its penetration 240/230/220 a buff or nerf?
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