Profile of Vipper

"Rather cheap"

No it's not, when you go cpt-tier. You call 250+50+240mp and 35+20fu cheap? Backteching is really not an option at high level play, when there is constant action going on and mp is being bled.

The cost of the unit is 200/20 and that is cheap.

If you prefer to unlock pak howitzer and AAHT that is your choice. And since you talking about airborne I have to remind you that can even have access to ATG with out Cap.

If you do not get m20 for mines that is a choice and that is completely different to claiming that USF players do not have access to mines. It like someone claiming that OKW do not have access to rocket artillery because one choose to built T1.

It is False period.

Now going cpt-tier is obv my own choice and I own it. But my opponent did a massive mistake, when he knows I can't have ANY real mines, so I'm wide open to all dives. Yet he keeps trying make jp4 spam work, when panther would have been the right play.

That's the point I'm arguing here.

"the USF player has no real access to actual mines"
"We're talking about airborne here, which gets no proper mines, period."

Claiming that USF do not have access to mine and that you did not have in particular game are different things. Even more so since in the particular game was a team game and your teammate was soviet and you could easily ask him to plant so for you if you needed them.

You still had access to M7 mines, to ATGs, to M36, to bazooka blobs and to AT loiter so you have plenty of AT even with out access to "actual mines".

On the other hand a Panther firing on the move on M8 has 34% chance to score a "natural" hit so getting a kill on the faster scott is not as simple as present to be.

I have to point out that I am not claiming that in this particular game OKW played perfectly, I am simply pointing out things that inaccurate.

...Did I mention, the USF player has no real access to actual mines and pathfinder builds sorely lack snares...

USF has access to mines:
R.E. M7 light mine with temp snare that slow vehicles and make dives harder
M20 M6 mine ideal to stop dives

Doctrinal:
out of the 9 commander only 4 do not get extra doctrinal mines.

I think that's actually the most important point.
The vehicle crit ability is nice, but apart from this it is a downgrade.
Iirc, it fires way slower and comes later. And the possibility to engage vehicles is utter trash. Either you don't want to fight vehicles anyway because they are a counter to the sniper (even more so with the recent movement nerf), or you don't want to because the damage does nothing significant. What is 40 damage supposed to achieve? It does not synergize with the ATG, LVs are not threatened by 40 damage either, I'd need to shots against mediums to follow up with a low-availability snare and it does not even synergize with a PIAT if those things hit once in a lifetime. Really? PIAT + sniper gives me 140 damage, which does not cross any significant threshold.

The Boys sniper rifle does 60 damage to vehicles. Shots can sometime even slow vehicles.

The Critical shot ability does 40 but it also cause addition effect for instance for light vehicles it cause engine damage and for casemates it cause crew shock and in tanks it causes turret traversal jam .

So the ability can be very effective is used properly.

I would go so far to say that engine damage vs light vehicles is OP.

I didn't said you're wrong at your point. and I'm lazy to explain a about sniper mechanic ,build order in this post.

However
You point is not relevance to mine.so I don't need to reply which is not related in this topic.

If you want to share this opinion. Why you won't open a new one? then we make a discuss there not here.

In this topic.
Do I talk about cost here? No.
and Is this your word?
"If I have posted anything out of topic in this thread feel free to point out"

I will walkaway from your point in this topic but If you started new one maybe we make a dicussion again.

Yes you have talk about manpower cost, actually you brought it to this debate and not me

To fight with 4 men or 6 men. It is same. their duty is not wiped squad but sniped 1 men. 1 men mean manpower cost.

They're too good because you can't kill sniper without using other sniper or blobing and ORAAAAAAAAA!!! to kill only 1 sniper.

Now pls stop asking me these questions and the non constrictive way of debate, I really do not want any part in it.

except they don't carry a same weapon. and each weapon have difference damage / acc.

Unfortunately I have clarify because it seem you have misunderstood. It makes no difference if 4 men squad and six man squad carry different weapon as long the squad members with the same squad carry a weapon of the same DPS.
A 4 men squad losing a entity will 25% DPS and 6 men squad will 17%. If they carry different weapon the percentage might differ but they will still not be same.

Honestly
everyone tried when argue with you because you always bring argument that out of topic. so I stopped now.

If I have posted anything out of topic in this thread feel free to point out what in your opinion is out of topic.

last things if it have no problem then why they(pro and balanced team) are trying to fix sniper problem almost 2 patch by now.