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Thread: pzgren should be wehr's dedicated tank hunters29 Mar 2018, 11:13 AM And for the quiet reader, who is more interested about the subject that is being discussed and doesn't care about all the personal quarrels (without pointing the finger at anyone), what is the conclusion of these walls of text in a nice single summarized sentence? Unbiased response, please, without squeezing in any Axis/Allies is advantaged/disadvantaged thing or opinions. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Crocodile is useless in team games since patch29 Mar 2018, 09:40 AM Jump back to quoted post29 Mar 2018, 09:32 AMullumulu 3% is so wrong that you must have no clue from the system. pls educate yourself more. Katitof's right. The probability of his example of 3 shots in a row penetrating panther frontal armor is roughly 3%, that's correct. Just basic probabilities maths (0.3^3 = 0.027). In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Crocodile is useless in team games since patch29 Mar 2018, 08:06 AM Jump back to quoted post29 Mar 2018, 08:03 AMullumulu On which basis from stats do you calc that? when i look to the penetration from churchhills gun and the armor from Panther...on max range the frontal armor? Jump back to quoted post29 Mar 2018, 08:01 AMJohnSmith Although slightly exaggerated, the Churchill can roughly penetrate every of its third shot against a Panther at full range against its front armor (32%). It's a comparatively really good stat considering the bigger picture, but you can still get unlucky with penetration rolls. Meanwhile, Panther has >90% chance to penetrate a Churchill at full range against its Front Armor. Yes, I was using your example from max range - max range, front armor (105 div 320 = 0.32). There's a useful thread that explains the relatively simple division behind it: https://www.coh2.org/topic/68795/penetration-system In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Crocodile is useless in team games since patch29 Mar 2018, 08:01 AM Although slightly exaggerated *by Katitof, the Churchill can roughly penetrate every of its third shot against a Panther at full range against its front armor (32%), so it is unlikely. It's a comparatively really good stat considering the bigger picture, but you can still get unlucky with penetration rolls. Meanwhile, Panther has >90% chance to penetrate a Churchill at full range against its Front Armor. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Penetration system27 Mar 2018, 14:32 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Mar 2018, 14:24 PMWiking Is there a more detail on how side armor hit registers either as front or rear? Random black box? 50/50? It is indeed 50/50, one large hitbox made out of two hitboxes, here's a drawing to help you to better understand the front/rear armor. A vehicle's side armour is split into one "front" part and one "rear" part; by using the attack ground command when attacking enemy tanks and aiming at the rear part of the side armour, you will score a rear armour hit with a higher chance of penetrating. Source: https://www.coh2.org/guides/31462/tips-and-tricks-for-newbies However, I am uncertain if the size of the rear/front hitbox differs in distribution with larger units (e.g elephant with 75/25 front/armor), but I always go clearly for the bits that are visually the back than attacking from the sides. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Penetration system27 Mar 2018, 09:58 AM Jump back to quoted post27 Mar 2018, 09:51 AMWiking Thanks! Although I looked into that thread beforehand and found only 'penetration chance are capped at 1' but the exact relation of armor and penetration remained unclear. I often use this file to find the values: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7gwy65JLbSRMEJ3M2ZPandMMW8/view (download it on your computer, then open it, otherwise it won't show up correctly) Note: I am uncertain if all the values in the file still applies, due to recent balance changes, but for a quick overview without needing the mod tools, this is a fantastic source. Generally, the rule of thumb is: Chance to penetrate in percentage = (penetration values of weapon / armor values of target) 100.0f e.g. (some weapon with 120 penetration / some tank with 290 armor)100 = 41% chance to penetrate and inflict damage. The values are capped at 1, this means, in layman's terms, that the values are capped at 100% chance to penetrate. Some users prefer to use percentage to talk about penetration values, some others don't. Large parts of the game-engine works with float values between 0-1 (so 41% penetration is equivalent to 0.41). It's all about rolling dices at this point; even with only 41% chance to penetrate, you may get lucky and have all shots in a row penetrating and damaging a target - or the complete opposite if you're unlucky. Keep in mind that tanks are merely divided into front/back armor and that side hits may either count as front hit or back hit, depending on where exactly the shell hits. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Penetration system27 Mar 2018, 09:48 AM Jump back to quoted post27 Mar 2018, 09:12 AMWiking I decided to look up exact penetration values and armor values and got a bit confused: if armor value is above the penetration value, some kind of probability applies? Because I am sure I saw shots penetrate where they should not have and I don't think veterancy bonuses change much. What if penetration value and armor are the same? Panther has 240 pen and Churchill has 240 frontal armor, for example Where does one look up this penetration probability then? stats.coh2.hu doesn't seem to have such info Here's also a very good, well written and clear thread from a very well respected user about other game mechanics which you might find interesting: https://www.coh2.org/topic/36347/cruzz-s-the-more-you-know However, some values indicated in thread might be a bit off due to recent balance changes. Additionally the Guides section on this page is most comprehensive: https://www.coh2.org/guides/categories In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: No Point to Schwerer Flak anymore?27 Mar 2018, 09:24 AM I also agree with Katitof. I haven't seen any difference either. I had to adapt my play-style with recent balance changes, but that's it. That's the programming that I've been following for a while: For each map, I place my Schwerer either at position A, B or C, depending if the enemy with faction X, Y, or Z is doing tactic D, E or F. If the enemy is attempting to counter my Schwerer with counter G, H or I, I counter their counter with my counter T, E or F. There's only a handful of ways to counter my Schwerer on A, B or C, so I most likely have to use tactic T, E, or F to protect it from G, H, or I, when it is attacked by faction X, Y or Z. Rinse and repeat for every map. It's only when the enemies get more creative that I struggles - but then I think that I've been outplayed, or that the Schwerer has closed a sector for long enough. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: What to do with the KT?26 Mar 2018, 15:09 PM At the moment, it's alright in 4on4 if supported, which I think it's OK. But it tends to miss too much - it's often better to get 2xJP4 or anything in numbers instead. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: What to do with the KT?26 Mar 2018, 14:28 PM Buff the scatter against intended targets. That's all. A small change. Don't make it back to pre nerfs levels. In: COH2 Balance