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Just make both heavy destroyer (j.tiger , elephant) operate similar to vCOH panzer elite marder 3

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The Marder III receives a significant bonus to its attack damage, Penetration, reload times and sight-range.
The unit is rendered immobile.
Costs nothing.
Duration: Permanent until deactivated.
Cooldown: 10 seconds (activation) / 3 seconds (deactivation)

- mobile mode with range 60
- immobile mode (rotatable) mode with range 85 + faster reload
5 seconds activation / 3 seconds deactivation

That could be a nice idea. At the same time, however, this possibility already exists, and it comes with cool animations too! It's called Hull Down

Mostly agree with Heavy_Gamer.

The only thing that needs immediate fix is brace/mortar pit. I'd agree that Demo's are also a pretty lame mechanic that should be fixed.

As much as we would love to fix Brace/trenches etc, fixing this is more involved. That is to say, if we are to be objective, there is no single no-brainer change we can make to these issues without breaking synergy elsewhere.

AKA, those will definitely have to be investigated in the process of a balance-preview mod.

You can't nerf Stuka DB without also nerfing the allied equivalents.

There's no allied equivalent to the Stuka Dive Bomb, especially considering cost and mode of operation.

Cant nerf Ele or JT without nerfing T34/85 and Mark Target.

Damage nerf to 280 means that T34/85's will take an equal number of shots to die as before the damage nerf. This change will only affect the survivability of stock medium allied T3 tanks.

Sure. Mark Target could do with a nerf, though.

Calli and ST can both be dealt with, both are powerful but don't need to be messed with. Especially st considering the rest of the doc is trash.

Trash doctrines and abilities will have to be reworked. From my perspective (and all of us share this viewpoint) is that doctrines should not be "carried" by a single OP ability (see artillery cover).

Ideally, the doctrine should be composed of useful abilities that also make sense when bundled together. Thankfully, both Tactical Support and Elite Armour have useless abilities that can be buffed to make doctrines feel more thematic, rather than make singular units define the doctrine.

Agree except the Elefant/Jagdtiger one.

That tank is such a huge investment. It should be good at what it's made for. It's already easy to swarm them with comets/shermans. The 3-shot change will make it even easier for comets to break through.

It's tricky to scout for ele/JT and micro them all the time and cover flanks, while being constantly under artillery fire (elefant usually means there are already 2 calliopes/katys/land mattresses on the field).

Damage nerf means that cost can go down, by a lot.

Comets already require 3 shots to go down to Elefant/JT, and they will still require 3 shots to go down post-change.

This is similar to demo-charges, which are 90MU all-or-nothing investments.
With Elefant/JT damage nerf we merely want to avoid those things from being too good at wiping things.

Walking Stuka should enter in dominant last-game (Although before should also be fixed emplacements).

It should. Walking Stuka however should receive a rework, tbh. The unit is OP in 4v4 but near-completely useless in 1v1.

What makes Walking Stuka so OP is the pinpoint accuracy. What makes it garbage is also its pinpoint accuracy (move 5 steps -> no damage taken).

We could maybe make it more even if:
- The barrage became more inaccurate but maybe did less damage
- (A nerfed version of) incendiary barrage was already available at Vet0 (that way MechHQ gets garrison clearing when ISG also receives changes)
- Cheaper but more fragile

This goes into OKW-rework and emplacement-rework territory, though.

I'm making this post give a glimpse about how we (the balance team) feel teamgame dominant meta could be changed to be more fun and more diverse.

Part of the reason I'm making this post is to openly declare our intentions to the community and get some feedback.

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Highest priority changes

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High priority cheese

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1v1-affecting cheese

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Good-to-have stuff

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Additionally, following up on Planet Smasher's idea, can you make SCAR give a specific upgrade to each production building when it loads? (I don't have experience with SCAR)

If the upgrade isn't present, make your building:
- Prevent building troops?
- Spawn a Sturmtiger?
- Something obvious?

First off, are we assuming 4v4s here? Are we assuming the best case scenarios for the elephant and brummbarr? Because I can think of countless maps where elephant and brummbarr are terrible.

In a head to head battle these units are unmatchable. In reality, they have many weaknesses number being poor mobility combined with a front facing turret.

In 4v4 they can seem OP because they're weaknesses can be covered by their allies. On the other hand, they're weaknesses can also be exploited by the enemy.

For example, a single player can't take out a brummbarr elephant combo on his own because if he tries to dive them he'll get taken out by the other axis players also passively defending the flanks and rear.

On the other hand, the Allies can also observe the elephant and brummbarr sitting defending one point and decide to all rush it together with one fell swoop and the elephant won't be able to retreat to safety fast enough.

Why do people never get elephant and brummbarr in 1v1s and only get elephants and brummbarr on very specific 2v2 maps? It's because the elephant is slow, cant react to the movements of the enemy and therefore requires a skinny open map with few shot blocks so that it can be easily bababay sat by the commander and his ally.


The problem here isn't the elephant or the brummbarr, it's the lack of coordination in 4v4 randoms.

My suggestion ---> coordinate with your team or play smaller game modes if elephant brummbarr combo is too rough.

This strategy falls flat on its head if the Elefant team has, collectively, half a braincell to pitch in with mine-laying. Infantry, simply, cannot move fast enough to clear the mines, and if you fail the YOLOrush, you have just handed the Elefant team the game.

This is entirely because of map design.

With veterancy on your tanks gone, you're gone. That's what makes Elefant/JT/Calliope so OP; they are such good veterancy-wipers. It simply doesn't matter how well you preserved your army until the moment they arrive. Those units don't care.

Since we are bound by the following constraints:
- Teamgames should be more fun and diverse to play
- 90% of the maps in the map-pool are either favouring or heavily favouring heavy-TD play (the other 10% are La Gleize and Hill 400)
- There is simply not enough map output to replace the problematic maps; thus Elefants being OP is no longer a map-design problem; it's a mode-design problem
- If you are facing an overwhelming strategy, you have to go full-tryhard to counter it. This completely sucks out strategic diversity

We will have to find a way to rebalance the Elefant to be:
- More appropriate for 4v4 maps (since that's where it's causing problems)
- Potentially more viable elsewhere