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I hate to play Devil's Advocate here; has the replay been viewed by anyone?
I watched both stream replays and saw Hans:
- lose game 2
- panic!
- pep talk himself in a frantic mess
- claim potential headache
- wait for unfortunate events
- claim blindness
- call for a TIME-OUT when his base was rushed
- THEN proceed to engage with chat and message others (assuming judges and Von) without said blindness.
Now I don't doubt he had a headache, but I do think he played it up like a football player drawing a card in a bad situation. It's obvious he lost his nerve and was shaken. |
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I can say that after I salvaged, all my commanders were not showing as "flashing new items". I'm hoping they salvaged the gifted ones (that should have been flashing as new. |
Note to future self: Don't chase blind in-game rewards with your wallet. You still haven't used your WPC skin you bought to get this reward and now you have more "bling" skins  . |
So are we following strict rules or not? You can't have it both ways. You wanna follow strict rules to DQ Noggano but you wanna bend the rules of a single-elimination tournament to allow the other guys another chance?
You must not have read my initial suggestion. What other guys are getting a second chance? |
It's messy but Noganno had about 2 months to get a passport sorted and made absolutely no attempt to do so, nobody's fault but his own.
The trip to Vancouver was entirely free, for the tournament that he entered for free. If he can't adhere to the tournaments rules and the terms and conditions that were disclaimed at the start, too bad, someone should take his place.
SO how do you fix this without ruining the tourney entirely? I suggested a way that no one would be hurt (including Nog), minimal impact on the bracket and the tourney would go on. ( https://www.coh2.org/topic/56348/relic-s-wpc-change-of-plan/post/567419)
If everyone is so set on kicking Nog out entirely, it can still be done without ruining the tournament. DQ him at the match against Von. Von "wins" that match (#29) and moves to the final with a free pass. Jesulin win 3rd with no opponent and the final still happens. |
This is so ridiculous. If you DQ a player, the other player wins.
In what universe do we wind back the clock and give somebody else a chance???
If you DQ Noggano, Devm wins. That's just basic tournament rules. It's a single-elimination tournament. Those who lost (Von, Jesulin, and all the rest), ARE ELIMINATED. What are we playing here, Back to the Future?
So the tourney ends with a 1st place ribbon and no final event or trip for the other competitors. Good call.
Tourney is over everyone, no finals. Ami says so.
Had this happened in OCF you'd bend over backwards to fix this someway somehow. You wouldn't have just cancelled the finals to follow strict rules in the serious world of video games... you know that. |
I feel for Noggano. It pains me to think that one of the top players in this scene who earned the right to fight for the championship is now really wishing we didn't reach the 5th milestone. Now he's thinking, "dang, I shoulda lost intentionally in the Semi-Finals so at least I would still have a chance to win $750." It's all just so backwards.
Without Noggano playing in the finals, this event is pretty much borked. His run was exciting to watch and he achieved some great upsets. DevM already beat Jesulin, I hardly want to see them play again. Von didn't earn a spot in the finals, I don't want to see him vs. DevM either. If Relic is gonna flat-out DQ the guy that earned the spot based on some fine print rule technicality, they should at least compensate him. Major Bloodnock was right... if having a passport was a requirement, passports should have been checked at the start, not right before the finals.
I was really looking forward to VonIvan vs. Jesulin for 3rd place... I thought that was gonna be a pretty good match-up and a fun set for a really good prize ($750 is a lot for this scene).
If there has to be a DQ, why not do it in a way so no one is really punished. I'm not saying it's ideal, but I feel it's damage control with no real victims. Von gets a pass only because he happened to be the one who played against Noggano in the most recent match. How else could you fix the DQ without someone really losing out. If Nog is DQ'd from the finals alone then someone has to either get a free pass, a second chance at playing or someone has to defend their spot a second time. I think that would be far more damaging to someone that has no fault (just my opinion obviously).
I guess 3rd/4th match could be a match for 3rd and winner moves to 1st/2nd match. Then one still loses out (Nog). |
In that case you would have to give hans a chance too since he also played noggano for it to be fair.
Not true. The scenario I mentioned fixes this acute problem with minimal impact on the tourney.
Your viewpoint says he should be DQ'd to the start which would ruin the whole tourney. Sotjador would have to play Quentin, winner would have to play Hans, winner would have to play Von. This is unfair to Von b/c he already won his spot (and risked losing that spot once). Why should he have to re-defend it and risk losing it again? |
And why would von have priority over jesulin.
A retroactive DQ would disqualify Nog before he and Von played. So Von would be the one to move on. |
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Why can't they retroactively DQ him (DQ "officially" happened before he played Von)? Von goes to play DevM in Canada, Nog and Jesulin play for 3rd online.
Von benefits. Free pass to play for 1st/2nd.
Nog benefits. Still in possible money playing over internet for 3rd.
DevM unaffected. Still playing for 1st/2nd.
Jesulin unaffected. Still playing for 3rd.
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