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Jump back to quoted post15 Jul 2020, 19:42 PMSkysTheLimit

No one said the majority always says the truth. But it's not just a majority it's a majority who have provided their reasoning right here for you to see

And a majority is far better than one person saying, "I'm right, you're wrong, trust me". You haven't provided any legit response to why their recon should be uncounterable. Just make it a recon plane like everyone else. Same goes for brit early warning, it should have counterplay


Okay but the critical difference is you still need to spot for the Il2. With a unit. Or with a recon plane..... That can be shot down. Do you see the difference?

Jump back to quoted post15 Jul 2020, 19:32 PMSkysTheLimit

I didn't say that made it the truth. You said people were "suddenly complaining about it". That's factually incorrect, people have been complaining about it for a while. That's all I'm saying



No they are not the same. The IL2 requires vision to call it in, the flares do not because they are providing the vision. They are not the same at all. Furthermore the IL2 bomb has 3 red flares on the ground warning you your about to get hit



Seriously dude? Read the thread you're in the small minority of people who think it's fair and balanced. You have to be absursly biased to think this ability is fine

Jump back to quoted post15 Jul 2020, 16:54 PMLatch

Make a thread about the T70 and we will talk about the T70 until then, this is about flares and although it has already been said:

"Just because something else is OP doesnt mean this should be"

Jump back to quoted post15 Jul 2020, 13:35 PMHannibal

I can partially agree, but I'd still like to point out a few things:
1. The Stuka and Panzerwerfer are regularly played even if the commanders to not own a recon loiter or pass/flares.
2. If we neglect doctrinal recon then UKF and USF were also in quite a bad spot. They have a recon pass on one single unit, but none of these factions has non-doc heavy artillery which makes it less problematic

If you count the T70, you should not forget that OKW also gets the Puma as a recon unit though. I agree that Axis overall (mostly due to SOVs plentiful stock recon options though) lack a bit of recon. However, arguing with Axis' more precise rocket artillery twists it the wrong way. If Axis already have the ability to concentrate that much damage on a small area and thereby can wipe squads more easily, it should be more challenging to prepare these strikes. The OKW flare just makes it too easy.

Jump back to quoted post15 Jul 2020, 10:49 AMHannibal

Abilities that need some thought about input and allow counterplay force players to think ahead and make an actual plan for the offensive. In contrast, the spec ops flare just require the click of a button and a click on usually a very obvious area of the map. I don't see how this option is superior to the first one.
People have been mentioning royal arty flares along the whole thread, and a quick search would show you that royal arty flares got posted about in march as well.

I think one reason why OKW flares are more complained about is because they synergize so well with rocket artillery which both Axis faction can build. Put it in the backline and you can hit anything you want.
The royal arty ones are bad too, but you usually can't hit the most vulnerable squads (reinforcing at FRPs etc). And you need to call it in for your Soviet team mate, it does not help much for other UKF or USF players. You can go for the double combo of flares and the concentrated barrage, but that's 160 munitions.

Both abilities are bad, but I also think that the OKW one is way more cheesy.