Profile of insaneHoshi

Why should OKW enjoy a time during which they can push everyone back to base because their is no effective counter to Luchs? This is not how COH2 works. If your Luchs isnt effective just because their is a counter on the map then you need to L2P and not blame "balance". OKW has no right to get a "counter-free" window of Luchs early game dominance.

For the same reason why volks don't get a t0 Faust, because there has to be a window of opportunity where clown cars must be effective, otherwise what's the point of a unit? Same is true for ostwinds and centaurs (in theory) are cheaper than p4s and Cromwells, there has to be some sort of reason why to build them when their counters (which are also generalist ai/at units) are soon arriving.

Back on topic, and that's even assuming that in live there is a huge window where the luchs is available and the Stuart and AEC arnt. I just don't see how a luchs which takes 115 fuel to get out (accounting for starting fuel) where as an AEC takes 75! I may be wearing some damn tinted glasses but how OKWs supposed "unbeatable" early game can get them 45 more fuel in under six minutes?

And that's assuming that AT guns and bazzoka blobs arnt a good deterant too.

As I said above such a drastic build time increase is unnecessary in my opinion and even if we disregard that due to my blatant fanboism, such a change is a poor solution to the problem, especially when allies are getting new early game buffs. A much better solution would be to increase its mp cost by 20 - 40, this does make it slower to come out but can be mitigated by good early gameplay or to give kubels a small 5 fuel cost.

Luchs needs to come about 45 seconds later than it does in live.

If you can find us an alternative way to implement this, we'd be happy to hear it. So far this is the only solution that works. Do you prefer throwing a 22-fuel nerfhammer on Mech->Luchs builds instead?

Could you explain why it is said that Luchs comes out fast when the required resouces to buld a Luchs, Stuart or AEC are:

	MP	Fuel	Start Fuel	Build Time
Luchs	100+200+265: 565	15+50+60: 125	10	45 s
Stuart	200+270: 470	60+70: 130	15	50 s
AEC	180+100+280: 560	30+15+60: 105	20	45 s

I'm just trying to understand why the Luchs is said to have a insurmountable rush time when it has comparable or higher costs to its counterparts.

Sure you could say that OKW gets free Nades so you might want to add the cost of nade tech but conversely USF has free repairs so do we get to add in OKW Repair tech?

And are you assuming that the luchs should come out at the same time as the Stuart or AEC? Why should that be the case, Stuart and AEC are its natural counter and are still decent vs infantry, there should be a window where the luchs should be effective, otherwise what is the point of having an AI vehicle that arrives at the same time as its hard counter?

And also why is an AT gun not an acceptable counter? Sure its immobile but consider OKW vs Clown car. Apparently the option of building (blindly) a rak is good enough for OKW, why isn't building a 6 lpr or m51 not good enough for USF or UKF?

All in all making the luchs have an 85 second build time, which makes it longer than every other unit in the game is just laughable. If you are desperate for a nerf you could just increase its Manpower to like 300, at least that's an elegant solution.

Luchs 85 secs build time isn't so tragic as it sounds. I mean, M20 has a 60 second build time, and it also deadlocks your LT tier build order until it's ready.

Well of course it doesn't sound tragic when you compare it to incorrect game stats. I encourage you to double check the m20s build time.

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Isn't a better solution for volks picking up weapons is that if they are too strong with an extra slot (which I don't understand since volks offensive vet got hella nerfed) would be to just allow them to pick up weapons and allow for it to override a stg

For most units that already happened. Look at vet 4 Ober Suppression, Jagdpanzer first strike bonus damage etc. Also I dont think any other OKW unit needs a vet 0 buff, that hasn´t been buffed already (MG 34, Raketen in some way).

It's the TLDR of OKW changes this patch.

We feel that x unit is under powered, so here is a small buff, and now let's sneak in a vet 4/5 nerf too.

Free exactly in what way? USF have mortar, grenades on most of their infantry, flamers (doctrinally), and pack howitzer (even though it is still a poor unit). Quite similar to other factions.

Regardless, the main point is fill a role for RE that isn't just bazooka carries or usual engineer duties. People been apparently wanting other units to use aside from Rifles and this way RE's have a role that Rifles don't excel at in a different and non doctrinal way via clearing buildings and have a light fire support role.

Free in the sense that it's just another addition to the roster with no tradeoff, similar to that of the USF mortar. Like when stgs and flame nades were given to folks, those replaced schreks and normal nades and Penals PTRS replaced flamers.

I guess the point is that garrisons should be a little hard to clear and giving a faction more and more options (on top of an overall building nerf with exit times) will make garrisons even more pointless.