Profile of Werw0lf

My frustration as of late has been the USF toss a grenade and retreat tactic. The timer on those nads are short which in my case leads to squad wiping, both in cover and out.

Wow did he just complain about the usf grenade lmao it is like the most easily dodged grenade in the game slow obvious wind up and huge timer.

Yes he did and so do I. It's the most ridiculously imbalanced, overeffective and thus abused grenade in the game.

Play some 1v1 auto ranked vs USF and you might understand why. Then again, probably not.

As for the condescending remarks about being "most easily dodged" and "L2p". What utter nonsense and arrogance.

USF nades I have thrown at me have a zero seconds fuse and next to no flight time, so we unless we are playing an entirely different game?

Assuming you see the animation if your attention is where his is at that very moment given how scan and micro intensive this game is 1v1 often with several simultaneous firefights occurring while manually attending multitude of other tasks so much harder to attend in COH2 than they were in COH1.

Now please pay attention to the important part Homer. Animation - response time from battle server - effect.

e.g. My Wehr or Ost troops are in green or yellow cover, or a building, or if a HMG, deployed firing. By the time I click to select them then click leave building, retreat, or move to point, before my PC play squad responds and enactions the command on the battle server, they are already dead. That indicates a problem with USF nades nothing to do with whether one is blessed with micro Überness.

The consequence is instant entire squad loss 99% of the time. Have that happen once, it's major disadvantage. Twice in this game in any 1v1 and you may as well toss the game as game over.

But as if that wasn't bad enough of itself, USF throw them around like rocks on the ground in a rock garden in every engagement.

The proof of their effiacy is in their overuse abuse and our complaint. If they were no good, you wouldn't have one thrown almost without exception regardless the circumstance every time a USF squad engages, nor us complaining about it.

Whether for the absurd amount of damage they do compounded by their relative undodgability, USF nades need removing or to cost 350MP EACH per throw, not something as insignificant as just a nerf.

Did you check my playercard?

Of course. Unless I looked at the wrong card, it illustrated just over 700 ranked auto 1v1 games as Soviets with a 53% win average. Inarguably consistant, respectfully solid and with inarguably more time in on COH2 than me. But you come from Finland, so you must be a good guy.

Two T34/76s can't deal with a panther as long as the player isn't a total moron

There we'll disagree, and I am betting your temperamentally suited and preferred tactical play is completely different from mine based upon our opposing points of view. That said, the right tool for the right job, and that is highly situational very much map dependent.

There will be paks, mines <snip>

Far too presumptive IMV, although I too would be cautious. And were that the case, the T-34/76 would not be the right tool at THAT time for THAT task in that situation.

but none of these things happen to the Su85 as you can OUTRANGE the panther and by the time the panther fires first time at the Su85, there's already 2 shots fired at the panther, all this thanks to the range and the vision.

To borrow from your hypothetical, according to your rational only "a total moron" would present his Panther like without infantry support or some other form of LOS reconnaisance. Bottom line is the frontal armour of the Su-85 is a coke can, and it's firing at the frontal armour of any presenting Panther which isn't at that range. OTOH, when the opportunity presents to flank with x2 T-34/76s, which I somehow manage against players who don't seem to be total morons to me, the shot is favoured by close penetration and usually hitting the weaker flank or rear armor, often X2 because of the two guns, so just as effective if not more so. Bottom line, even disabling the Panther's engine for the loss of one T-34/76 allowing time to finish it off whether with the other, an AT gun or anything else is a tradeoff win situation. "And then there were two" (again) and "soon there were three". It's not going to suit every situation any more than the single Su-85 solution does, but it is an option and it does work well for me when map and the tactical situation suits. Whatever works for you.

I do take on board that you don't like T-34/76's much. Perhaps you should give them another try?

Too often it's far too tempting in the heat of the moment to not move one's own Su-85 forward for that 'just one more it's nearly dead' killing final shot as the Panther reverses in retreat only to have the Panther escape with its life hanging by the thickness of a bee's dick whilst your overextended Su-85 gets wacked by a covering PAK. We've all done it.

It's kind of funny, 'cos I do like using OST StuGs. I will persist with the Su-85 to see if I can learn to give it more love.

Hey, we could hypothesise all day. It's situational. ATM, when the situation advantages it, I prefer T-34/76s, but it's not cast in stone for me. I'll adapt as required.

Unless it has been removed and I didn't notice, SU-85s have the 'Focus Fire" ability that extends their cone of vision forward but narrows it and cuts their mobility.

It does van Voort. No disagreement there.

But, for which I'd present in counter agument to their deployment is exactly what you don't want unless using them deployed as an AT gun in which case why not just build and deploy AT guns or Su-76'? "Quantity has a quality all of its own". If effectively turns it into a semi-immobile snail just at the time you don't want it to be, with an even further restricted cone of fire -it only fires within its field of vision or gun traverse arc the more limiting of the two regardless which unit provides that LOS, at what it can 'see'. Not good odds against a well microed frontally faced Panther becoming even worse in any multiple vehicle situation as the Panthers' tank turret/s will turn automatically whilst each Su-85 will have to be individually microed to have its chassis and thus gun traverse to have fire brought to bear outside its FOV or firing arc.

How clever (NOT)! Let's just increase that already insane ÜbermicroSkilZ workload, which is exactly what success or failure shouldn't be about in any well engineered tactical strategic game regardless it is RTS. The purpose of the CPU in any well designed computer wargame is to remove that, minimising micro-management to a sufficiently manageable level whilst maintaining the important command aspects of tactical minutae and control. Let's leave that 'my micro skillZ just too l33t 4 u n00b' inanity to the FPS genre 'L1t3 and immature ego shall we?

Importantly, paraphrasing a comment made here by someone else, an engine immobilised tank is a dead tank i.e. just a target. Effectively that is what it the Su-85 effectively becomes when using focussed fire, the distinction between tank and even worse case chassis mounted AT gun enclosed within an armour casemate noted. That situation is rendered far worse with a casemate gun mounted vehicle already severely gun traverse restricted. i.e. our Su-85. Great looking vehicle in the game, which sadly doesn't perform anywhere near as good as it looks nor anywhere near well enough for what it costs in fuel IMV.

Apart from that though they pretty much always should have something in front of them anyway

"if", "should', great and useful words those -in any hindsight afforded hypothetical fight.

All of the above are exacerbated by the practical 'mechanics' of COH2. Everything in this game dies so quickly, almost before a player can react, a serious design flaw over its previous iteration sibling. That by the way, is the singularly significant aspect affording this game that disatisfying feeling in play one can't quite point one's finger at as expressed in so many negative "I didn't like it" personal reviews. In 1v1 in the particular, things like a precious OKW Panther take forever to get sufficient fuel for, forever to build unless a PFA doctrinal call in, and are then destroyed in an instant whilst trying to attend micro of 8 different firefights concurrently! In vCOH the aquisition cost loss ratio never felt like that, and the TTL before being destroyed entirely was clearly considered in that game far more in terms of teh game experience as a maneagble aspect than it (n)ever was in COH2. With so many models in play in this game even if still usually numerically less than in COH1, especially in 1v1 auto this game becomes predominantly a game about micro skillZ rewarding quick reflex and reaction rather than a game about tactical knowledge and ability or anything to do with strategy.

An RTS can still work without being turn or even almost turn based to better involve the latter elements, nor losing the fun factor of it after all being a game. But achieving that is a delicate design balance. For all its warts and IMBA, COH did. COH2 doesn't, which is why its sell through and appeal to as wide and pre-existing an audience as its predecessor has been so self evidently lacklustre.

That all about Übermicro aspect is a HUGE flaw in this game as recognised albeit unwittingly by the silent majority which the honest capable of rational analysis will acknowledge. I acknowledge that the game does have a relatively dedicated following crying it 'better than sex', but its ever declining audience is evidence too many just don't like it as much as its predecessor without actually analysing to understand the why of "it's just not fun"or "I just don't like it" and doesn't appeal try as they might to want to like it. Two years in, and it takes longer to get a COH2 game in auto than it does COH1 after 10 years. I remember what COH was like two years post its release. Quite the indictment.

IMV, the only thing keeping this delivery mechanism for doctrinal PFA (pay for advantage probably will be more palatable than pay to win) Commander DLC alive is the absence of anything remotely resembling a better contemporary viable alternative in the WWII RTS genre than its predecessor. As soon as there is, I predict COH2 will sink faster than did HMS Hood.

As always, everyone is entitled to hold their own perspective and will, so I appreciate YMMV.

too bad there are not many english translations of soviet soldiers' memoirs

I agree. But, isnt there always a but?

Unfortunately, by the time the USSR first first opened its doors 44 years later, many of the actual participants who survived the actual war to tell their tale were by then quite old or dead. And not to be disparaging given the tone of political correctness and censorship required to be published required even in our own society, formerly the Soviet regime didn't encourage other than a tightly controlled and approved recollection of events with dire consequences for those who dared attempt otherwise.

Virtually impossible during the 'cold war', it was always difficult to get hold of any autobiograpical material. I bought the first published (1984) English translation of Zhukov's memoirs (2 hard cover volumes) in 1985 just after they were first published in the still then U.S.S.R. Even as memoirs containing detailed information must go, e.g. comparing them to "Panzer Leader", they were a difficult, dry read having been first published in Russian in 1974 and no doubt, at the time they were written necessarily acceding to Soviet state authority.

Now another quarter of a century has passed, we are seeing more information from the former Soviet Union states, but generally it is too late for either eyewitness accurate or honest retelling. Even acknowledged alleged historians generally have their own agendas, the more contemporary the more compliant and worse they are as a generalisation. Few source original material but are instead academic drones expert in plagiary.

As for the recent WWII movies coming out from the either the Ukraine or Russia such as "White Tiger" and "Stalingrad" with dubbed voiceover with lines like "stop behaving like a college girl" and pretty actors with the contemporarily manicured 'after five' unshaven look depriving them of any engaging suspense of disbelief, beyond utterly pathetic would be understatement. Even "Sevastapol" (western title) based around the courageous Lyudmila Pavilcheko just didn't engage -respect and kudos to the real Lyudmila.

A good read, but WWI rather than WWII and yet again from the British perspective accessible by commonality of language, is "Winged Victory" by Yeates, now republished and available inexpensively as a Kindle edition. Recommended *****

Suggestions?

Same experience as you multiple occasions. Versing USF Übernading mega blob in 1v1 is just depressing as Ostheer, and utterly wrist slashing depressing as OKW.

My only practical suggestions are: 1. ignore the "L2P" insulting idiot stroking his Überego to compensate for his peanut sized d1ck, and 2. play USF so you can deceive yourself too your micro is PRO and you are l33t too?