Profile of Werw0lf

So if I win a few games with ost I can make a wehr OP thread?

Mate it's churlish to disrepectfully dis others when your ego hasn't sufficient self esteem or the guts to put your own player card on display warts and all.

The OP not only made a credible valid point, but I'd expect that as he's logical and unafraid to let the world know he's not a COH2 micro-meister nor an obsessive. Neither of which render either his POV or his cogent ability to interpret obvious IMBA invalid.

But thats the point.

Well no, that wasn't the point you were inferencing with your statement. What you said was clear in your previous post as I quoted.

They are too reliant on manpower and cant churn out the infantry they need to get an advantage in the early games so any soviet or american player only has to spam blobs and your dead... OKW barely have any infantry killing potential, at least not until the late game. Being spread too thin is what kills OKW players.

Which again illustrates how you don't truly understand OKW at all. The above is so wrong.

OKW have THE strongest opening infantry in the game bar USF spam BS assisted by their BS Premium Commanders. But, sans that BS Prem Inf insta vet inf commander, even in 1v1 they can counter USF by seizing the initiative early. They are a defense through offense, highly mobile, fast and early hard hitting faction.

SturmPios (StP) at close range can gun down anything UK or Sov can field opening setting up a massive numerical and MP IMBA and capped point/resource deficit, and 1 on 1 vs US RE or pre 'nade and BAR early squads, can screw the latter over good too if they can close. OKW inf is so much better than Ostheer's, and all importantly 5 men who don't require time, fuel or MP for building of T1 to spam right from the start allowing instant fielding of at least numerical equality if not in the superiority. The combination of plentiful 5 man cheap VolksGrens (VGr) and StP is a cheap and lethal opening combo.

Importantly, VGr squads can operate independently squad for squad and in sufficient numbers without having to retreat vs everything they come up against in critical opening. This is crucial. Massed like US into a blob, is what you will see most 1v1 OKW players do, they are deadly.

OKW's weakness is not its MP model, nor inability to field effective infantry fast or cap fast (VGrs are cheap), nor even its lack of a non-doctrinal HMG/MMG, but its utterly rubbish fuel and muni resource model the former impacting absurdly when played 1v1 leaving OKW vulnerable to fast-tech SHOCK armour and other early over-run vehicles before they have an effective hard counters. And they can't even OP capped points to try and diminish/overcome it. As for resource transfer, well we know that was implemented by some tosser at Relic with a warped sense of humour who has never played OKW, or the game except perhaps in a 4v4 random auto once a year on April Fool's day.

When I play OKW I seldom fall over in opening where it is so easy to dominate, or even mid game. In fact that's what is so utterly infuriating! The problem I identify is that OKW just can't sustain an attritional fuel bleeding attritional armour battle/challenge, which forces them to fight with 'shrecked infantry rather than numerically equal hard counters vs Allied armour, USF in the particular. Lose a Pzkpfw IV J or JagdPanzer IV/70 Lang, and it's situation critical for OKW. All the Allied factions can sustain such a losses being so much easier to replace with their capped point OP capability and superior resource models.

Worst of all is OKW versus US. USF indirect and prolific call in arty supported by PACKs, vehicular mounted mortars and or Stuart Howitzer BS that just rapes, with OKW having to fall back to being overly reliant on Inf with soft inadequate relatively immobile armour counters that can't reach those units raping them.

Squad for squad, OKW squads can deal with USF infantry, but not out of green cover vs US in green cover nor vice versa. As the game progresses, those ranged offensive weps force OKW to commit to assault or just stay where they are and bleed to death.

As OKW invariably lose vetted squads en masse to arty and other push button USF kill skillZ, the attritional MP bleed, fielded numerical superiority at an particular place or point in time and quality loss become unsustainable and completely unequal. At that stage, the MP bleed overwhelms exponentially and OKW just loses any chance of retaining territorial and thus resource control in an ever spiralling descent. Game over.

IMV&E, in a 1v1 between reasonably skilled vs equivalent, OKW do not have the viable mid-game and strong end game current COH1 PE do if you survive opening and early game. In 2v2 AT auto or other AT auto multi, any faction's weaknesses will be less apparent or overt in opening due mass and partner buffering. Whilst I haven't played the several thousands of games in COH2 that I have in COH1, I don't see double OKW played much in COH2 2v2 AT automatch, and where I have, it's never been a loss to us that I can recall.

I'd like OKW to be rebalanced so as to be loveable, but they ain't. Fixable? Probably. But neither Relic nor SEGA have any intent of even acknowledging that necessity, ipso facto absolutely none of doing so.

I am very interested in your reply... Better draft it in Word next time

Pretty much what Iron Emperor said, just with more detail and greater in depth explanation why and how. In brief for now, I may rewrite if I feel so inclined when I have more time.

Winning on Minsk isn't about the flags. If opponent deploys MGs into those two buildings adjacent the flags in opening, good! He's down what he field and can concentrate in the ALL critical centre corridor. He who establishes control in centre and maintains it wins on that map. Knowing that is the key to victory.

OKW is particularly vulnerable on that map because of that central corridor and both fuels being within it.

Just ignore the flags and MGs if he deploys them within those corner buildings in opening game. Don't go near them. If he eventually wakes up and moves them, try to catch them en-route to being redeployed. If he doesn't, good.

By controlling centre, you'll have (fuel) and so something hard to make them flee soon enough, AND importantly for OKW, be able to keep up with SOV tech to armour and possibly before he can if you can keep SOV cut off from fuel so they can't tech to a hard mobile counter.

Hetzers certainly did have an MG mounted atop the casemate, with a shield. MG34, remotely controlled too. The negative was keeping up ammunition feed.

I'm confused as to how the community doesn't get $ega's business practices yet.

I don't think you are, really, are you?

Paraphrased, You can fool all of the sheeple all of the time.

Put in a really powerful commander, get the masses to buy it, have Relic clean up the mess later

Relic have been doing this same shit since ToV, the final add-on for COH1 when they released it with the so obvious it was deliberate badly broken US T17 'snipewagon'. Destroyed the automatch game to the point everyone just went out and bought ToV and played US as there was just no point playing any other faction vs the effective equivalent of a T4 Wehr Ostwind available long before PE could field any AT, and Wehr were struggling to get out even a single PAK from T2.

It's been all too apparent in COH2 right from the outset. After buying it (digital CE Ed) with hope filled expectation only to have them dashed rejecting it as the crock not long after it released, coerced by ever dwindling activity on the COH1 server I came back to the game at the time of the last sale a few months ago buying all of the modules available at a 'little to lose if it's still a crock' -75% off committted to giving it a fair go and re-evaluaton. My verdict? Nothing's changed for the better.

It's self-evident to anyone with the IQ equivalent of their numerical shoe size why, as a game, it's a flop in comparison with what it could be. Does it make good money for Relic & SEGA? IDK or care. Not from me it doesn't and won't -ever. But like I said in my initial sentence, the DLC greed grab model is obviously what drives Relic and SEGA both, so I presume it must.

Relic don't give a monkey's about balance or player satisfaction. The 'for public consumption' official PR spin from Relic's PR pony is just that. Ultimately, observe actions, analyse whether they concur with what is said. They don't. So then ask youself, from each DLC Premium OP IMBA PTW Commander release, cui bono? Not the game. Not the wider community of players, so who then?

It's already apparent the game is fundamentally ergonomically flawed in its stupidly ultra-intensive mechanics to the point few people play COH2 1v1 auto whereas in COH1 that was most heavily populated arena of all.

And now yet again even more of this USF PTW Premium Com BS with Rangers and Pershing trying to get 'the community' to identify with them as something they wanted/it's ours by a 'naming (attachment and sense of idenfication with their development) contest'!!!

Give me a break. Relic certainly knows where the sheeple live who butter their bread.