For some reason I was thinking we are talking about CoH2.Besides HelpingHans and Siberian (great streams, btw), not many of those named are still streaming actively CoH2. On the caster side, I see ImperialDane, which has an excellent cast, but his native language is not English. Also, if you think a bit further and remember the fact that CoH2 is not only sold to "native" speakers, but globally, your statement gets even less important. I have not encountered one fun cast/stream where language was a problem or the fact that I did not see the person talking. Usually, the content and the presentation decides if the cast/stream is worth the time.
Aren't HelpingHans, Stephenn and Siberian the top CoH2 streamers?
Again, the implicit preferences of all the viewers decides the ingredients of growth and success. Obviously, CoH2 sold worldwide, but given that roughly 80% of Sega's game sales are located in the U.S. and Europe, it is save to say that CoH2 is no exception to this. |
That couldn't be further from the truth really. Maybe in CoH the majority is English, but competitive gaming is far more popular in Europe and Asia than it is in America. Most of the popular SC2 and Dota 2 streamers are not native English speakers.
Exactly. This is why my original statement was the following:
Unfortunately for you, the majority of the people prefer to watch and/or listen to casters and streamers who show themselves and are native speakers. This holds both cross-game and cross-country.
If one concludes that CoH has the most popularity in North America and Europe, should one go for native English speakers or native Asian speakers? I think it is straightforward. |
Two of the three casting pairs at The International 3 had non-native English speakers (Wagamama and Lumi). Bruno and Winter are two other casters who are very popular and non-native English speakers. People love watching Homestory Cup, and half the people casting those games are non-native English speakers.
Furthermore, it is largely impractical to have live video of the casters when casting online with multiple people, which is what anybody who isn't doing it for a living is going to be doing. Sure, you can have video before and after games, but it is a hassle and video quality is a major concern. And during games? No way in hell, nobody wants their screen cluttered with a webcam feed. NASL tried that during their inaugural showmatch broadcast and people fucking hated it.
Go back and watch some DotA and Brood War casts from casters who are now working in Dota 2 and SC2. The only one who used a camera at all was Day[9], and his approach is a far cry from traditional gameplay casting. Using a webcam when streaming is one thing, but I really don't think it's necessary to use one when casting a game. The focus in that instance is on the game itself, not you as a player/caster.
Naming a few non-native speakers out of a majority of native commentators over the last decade is not changing the core of my point, at all. Exceptions only enhance it.
Next to that, nowhere have I stated that casters should be visible during the games themselves. Between games, a webcam is preferable to anything else, as implicitely preferred.
Webcams for streamers is straightforward. For example, nearly all top streams on Twitch.tv right now feature the player on a webcam. |
I think that is just your personal opinion and not a fact. Maybe you and your buddies like it that way, which is totally fine and understandable. But, I do not care to see a face or to hear native speakers, as long as the cast or stream is fun and worth my time. If you look at the top streamers and casters, English is not their native tongue.
On the contrary, the majority of top streamers and casters of CoH are native English speakers (HelpingHans, Stephenn, Siberian, Inverse, Xcom, AmiPolizeiFunk, Tommy, RnP, A_E, VonIvan etc.). Clearly, every rule has exceptions, but you will find a similar pattern within succesful competitive games.
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We blame relic for poor success of TFN?
Actually TFN has been one of (if not) the fastest growing Youtube channels exclusively casting CoH since, well since CoH: O I think, or maybe even before that, I don't have the numbers prior to that so I can't know for certain.
Also as been said already I'm Swedish, as I don't talk english on an every day basis some days will be better, some will be worse, so far I don't think anyone has ever complained that they didn't understand me, so that part is just an outright incorrect statement, secondly, you know what I really hate when watching shoutcasts of good playstyles, great gameplay and just entertaining matches, someones face right there on a webcam distracting me.
So I molded TFN after what I wanted, this included better HD quality/higher bitrates, editing to improve on the things that was sorely missing from the game itself (dual resources and other various replay features), PiP, sped up capping orders, build orders and a simple thing like an intro/outro.
What was not important was only having British/American/Other native english speakers casting (we had on most of the experts, basically none of which is a native english speaker) and someones face plastered on a webcam.
But you know, some people like that, some people don't, evident by our numbers I think is that we don't blame anyone for our poor success, cause it wasn't poor at all considering the number of people actually watching CoH content, is rather small, and I think we got em all.
Oh, btw, Riddle(r) me this, how does one with such poor vocabulary as me skim your post and find you spelling crowd, croud.
This community consistently compares itself to bigger communities/games such as SC2 and Dota 2, for reasons of growth. Succesful casters and streamers in those scenes show themselves and are almost exclusively native speakers. The implicit conclusion drawn from this leads to my previous statement. In addition, the idea is to attract people that are currently not consistently watching CoH content, which is more likely with webcams and native casters, as the implicit preferences point out.
Furthermore, I do not blame you or anyone else for speaking with any kind of accent. I merely pointed out what the majority of viewers implicitely prefers. As for the growth of TFN, it has been diminishing since the release of CoH2, which cannot be good in the light of a sequel which sold quite well.
P.S. Touché on that spelling mistake. However, I specifically mentioned vocabulary, which is, as you clearly did not know, unrelated to the concept of spelling. |
Tommy is british and Fatal speaks perfect english. I dont like the cameras. Always imagined krebs differently before he started his videos  . Only person i nj seeing with camera was inukii and his panda hat in his old days.
Unfortunately for you, the majority of the people prefer to watch and/or listen to casters and streamers who show themselves and are native speakers. This holds both cross-game and cross-country. |
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Currently, this community barely has streaming and casting "personalities" that a great number of people would be willing to watch and/or listen to. Relic should not invest time and funds into streamers and casters that will never attract a large crowd.
With all due respect for TFN, but it is hardly fair to blame Relic for poor success when you do not even cast with a webcam and/or lack English vocabulary. |
^ Oh, and Noun there isn't enough CoH2 merch. I want new CoH2 t-shirts and a CoH2 ushanka. And inflatable Russian tommy guns 
How about inflatable Russian female sniper dolls?
Sorry, I could not resist  . |
I am somewhat surprised about all this. You can hear AmiPolizeiFunk ramble on in the background of every single Reborn stream (Xcom, Basilone, Pez, Marinez etc.), where he usually gets ignored by the subject streamer  . |
Gazi is like CoH2: very repetitable, boring and arhaic.
P.S. when you say repetitable and arhaic, do you mean repetitive and archaic as well? |
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