how is that quote inappropriate?
If it is perhaps the end of the beginning, hes saying that it is perhaps time for the beta
Because the end of the beginning suggest it is still the beginning, which is still quite far way from the actual end (the beta/game). This quote, if used properly, is aimed to temper over-optimism as there is still a long way to go. Thus, the quote is inappopriate in this case, as the aim was not to temper over-optimism about the (announcements of the) beta, but to create optimism about the proceedings. |
I realize I am "the bad guy" now, but its remarkable how this turned around. I tried to give constructive criticism on THQLynx's performance as community manager. To some of you my suggestions arent good enough. That is fine, but on the other hand, none of you have specified why you think he was a good cummunity manager and why he should be reappointed, since posting social media links and "caring about us" are still very vague arguments as well and can not be considered serious achievements that seperate one community manager from another.
Here you pretty much state yourself that you're unaware of who this "Lynx" guy is. You probably just found out about him after the whole commotion started to settle. I remember this was one of your first, if not first, posts, so while you might play it all sarcastically now, I know better than to believe you.
I made it very clear I am an active participant of the community, and as such, I was and still am on the GR fora as well. Next to that, the number of forum posts should not be a benchmark for a forum comment. To me, the "Lynx-for-community-manager" campaign seemed a nice initiative of his community friends, but hardly well deserved or a good representation of the combined feelings of the community. Given the overall agreement by the previous posters (mainly known CoH1 players and/or community friends of Lynx), I simply wanted to express the view of other, less vocal, players.
Do you even read my comments? Seriously.. There is no point in discussiing anything with you is there? Why can't you just accept the simple fact that whenever Lynx posted up a reminder about the show on FB/Twitter, viewer numbers went up with atleast 50%. This is a fact. All your statements are purely hypothetical and have relevance whatsoever with this discussion.
I do read your comments GeneralHell, but I tried to explain several times there is more to your observation than meets the eye. No offense, but given your average posts and usual stream chat commentary I do not expect you to accept and/or understand this. Lets just agree to disagree, for the sake of the forum atmosphere. |
I dont know if your timeframe and numbers are correct here RagingJenni, but if they are, they really dont favor your argument.
-Those that responded to this announcement "instantly" by joining the stream, would have had a high probability of joining the stream anyway.
-The "hundreds" that joined might seem significant, when compared to the number of current viewers, however, they are not compared to the number of facebook likes (ofcourse the number was less back then, but probably still high).
-As a regular viewer of SNF I noticed a different viewer time distribution. Viewer spikes of "hundreds" are not that uncommon.
-What other things occured that might have caused spikes (other streams ending, CoH servers going down off and on)?
-To what extent did earlier announcements affect the number of viewers?
-Were the announcements made at or close to a specific time (breaks between matches, on the hour)
-How many announcements were made (did it occur multiple months or just one week)?
-Truely, without proper data, its impossible to establish the type of correlation you claim.
Apart from all this, I simply cant be in favor of a community manager, whos main achievements (as mentioned time and time again in this thread) are posting links on social media and being a nice guy.
I noticed I have different standards than most of you (WmD) guys and thats perfectly fine. |
Nicely paraphrased, NTD!
Riddler, based on your examples, it's quite obvious you weren't an active member of the community whilst Lynx and SNF were around; in other words, you don't know what you're talking about.
I can't help but think that both you and Findlay just want attention by going against the grain. Come on, guys! Enough is enough.
I was and still am actively playing the game, watch replays, streams and SNF. But none of this is relevant, as I give an objective opinion, as opposed to those that know THQLynx and cant seperate friendship from facts. Its understandable and quite common, but hardly an objective view on THQLynx's performance as community manager.
If I wanted attention, I would have posted more often, participated in stream chats, possibly stream my own games, applied for forum positions, be named IronRoman (just kidding), etc etc. However, if you still think I aim for attention and it bothers you, there is no need for you to reply to my views, nor read them.
So, just to clarify, all your statements before about 'he should've done more' are basically without any solid suggestion of what that 'more' should have been?
'Don't give me problems, give me solutions.'
If you read back you would notice that my main point was not about THQLynx "doing more", but about "doing it wrong". Next to that, I made several suggestions. In fact, you replied to some of them in agreement. Other than that, I did sense the sarcastic tone when you asked for my solutions. If there are problems, and you acknowledge them, I dont understand why the community manager shouldnt join in with solutions...? |
Ignoring the sarcastic last remark by GeneralHell (and Tommy), I have to express my appreciation of the fact you guys stick up for one another, it shows loyalty. However, you shouldnt be blind to the complexity of correlation between SNF viewers and various events. Its nice you grant THQLynx all the credits, but its just not correct.
Its fair to say that THQLynx's posts on the financial situation of THQ were clear understatements, which were close to an insult of the intelligence of the average reader. Now, as a listed firm, that knowledge you speak off, was public information. If I take your own argumentation as a standard, one could argue that the excuses "I was not allowed" and "I will loose my job", are proper answers to any question. This is not the case. There are more options than stating "there is nothing to worry about", which will be allowed and maintain the given job.
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Lets focus on those I already presented, shall we?
Those jumping figures also correspond to overall increasing popularity of the game due to sales and mouth-to-mouth advertising of SNF. One cant easily distinguish between those and facebook and twitter messages by THQLynx.
The misinformation does not deal with the boundaries of the statements, its rather about the correctness, which is what the average reader cares about.
There are more solutions to solving maphacking than a section on GR.
The tournament you are aiming at (if I am not mistaken) was poorly organized, as agreed on by many participants.
Once again, if you think that funding a tournament is what the community manager's job is about, you uphold a different standard than the unknown part of the community. Financing is usually a very non-operating activity, as measured in both effort and time. Surely, a couple hundered dollars doesn't impress you...and me.
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So far he has not shown himself to be a community manager with an eye for the interests of the community as a a whole. He has taken the easy option of being the friend of the experts.
This could backfire.
My point exactly earlier in this thread. Just because some parts of the community are more vocal than others, do not necessarily make them correct.
I don't know what you think was missing exactly, but why don't you let us, and him, know here? (I'm not being facetious, I'm curious as to what you think he hasn't been doing in his role as CM)
So you think posting links on twitter and facebook are his primary tasks..? Its hard enough to proof that even affected popularity of the game and/or SNF. Next to that, more activity on fora is always appreciated (that excludes misinformation on financial situations, the name of his dog, the food he likes etc.). Adressing serious issues like maphacking and organizing tournaments is what the unknown part of the community expects. |
Completely inappropriate quote if hes trying to claim an update will be in the timeframe of "very soon". |
Correlation between employee satisfaction and customer satisfaction has very little to do with the (financial) satisfaction of a shareholder.
Customers care about service, but they also care about prices. Both are complements. Low prices can complement bad service and visa versa.
The same conclusion applies to employee satisfaction and wages. your argumentation is flawed as the level of satisfaction does not change with the wage level, it only complements. Therefore, most people maintain/get jobs they dont like, as long as the remuneration outweighs the dissatisfaction they obtain from it.
It should be noted that there is a whole spectrum in between treating your employees/customers as numbers and treating them as "kings and queens". Next to that, I am still wondering how you got to the conslusion that personnel in the music industry gets treated better compared to the movie industry, which, according to you, results in higher customer satisfaction of customers in the movie industry. A Practical nightmare.
Good luck trying to run a successful company when your bleed talent to your competitors.
Employee spill-overs are quite common in innovative firms. For instance, the average employment term in Silicon Valley is very close to 2 years.
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Its not very successful for your average listed company, as neither employee, nor customer has significant influence, when compared to the shareholder.
I hope you realize that a column, in general, but in this specific case where a commercial book is promoted, is never considered evidence in favor of your argument.
Besides this, I was mainly aiming at the lack of nuance in the general view of (mostly) big corporates, which was shown perfectly in Dwighty's statement. |