Profile of turbotortoise

booo, hissss

British Commando units will have no combat effectiveness outside of forests and town sectors. British infantry sections are not arbitrarily better, but will likely be worse according to history.

I'd like to know why you hold the Commonwealth in such poor esteem. By all accounts they have a pretty illustrious campaign record post the recapture of Tobruk and Operation Torch.


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I personally don't like this scale of combat done in 3D engines. Operating at the divisional level means that without player influence, it usually means a drastic oversimplification of unit formations, LOS mechanics, movement and terrain.

I can be pretty certain this isn't for me, but I'm hopeful that people who enjoy that niche will find pleasure in it.

Why'd you gotta go and spoil it Esxile.

I would also add historically once Manstein's and Armee group center's attack on Moscow had dissipated by early December 1941, the bulk of the German 9th Army withdrew to prepared defensive positions such as the Konigsberg line, and essentially stayed there/fell back for the rest of the war. Defense was the order of the day, with the exception of the failures that were Operation Blau and Citadel(Caucauses/Stalingrad + Kursk) Hitler was determined after Moscow not to cede an inch of Soviet territory (evidenced in ordering the 6th Armee to fight to the death rather than withdraw at Stalingrad for instance)

Whereas operations on the Western Front very much mirrored that which occurred in Sicily and around the Alps, "defense" was often carried out by localized or ad hoc Kampfgruppes which would attempt to counter attack quickly and immediately after losing a hardpoint such as a village, hill or crossroads, weary of the Allies entrenching themselves/forming bridgeheads inland.

Like I said, in this scenario, I don't have 1000 hours in game, I'm just some random dude with 3 friends and we just bought OKW because they look the coolest or something and we just straight jump into it.

The most important part in a 4v4 is understanding the map.

Games are often won or lost in the first five minutes if you can control the chokepoints/fuel. 4on4's are a little different in that with the volume of units on the field and the sheer destruction that's around every corner tech instead of the linear progression of Inf > Light Veh > Med Armor > Hvy Armor usually goes Inf > Lock down fuel > Hvy Armor slug fest.

I would suggest playing 2v2's against each other to get a feel for the game if possible. Then transition back into 4v4's and try to split into teams of 2, each trying to rush/hold a fuel point, or in some scenarios "Lienne Forrest" for instance, split 3 of you into the city, and one to sweep the forest. Lorch, same sort of situation, you may want to forgo the castle area all together and focus on the city, just try and harass the other VP's when possible.

I personally in solo queue veto

Montargis
Steppes (controversial, I find no one understands 2 islands, 2 center fuel)
Vielsam
and sometimes Hamburg

Each other 4on4 map is pretty straight forward. Rush your first squads to cover/garrisons near fuel points, entrench hold on for dear life, and bring up the best medium tank you can as quickly as you can.

So much for Relic's "strategy" game... Rather Real Time Spam fest.

and yeah... the map design means that 4on4's don't allow you the width to employ actual squad tactics and play like a 1on1, it's just sort of throwing units at each other. Another reason why taking and holding the chokepoints from the start means that you can control the match.