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Thread: Pioneers after early game22 May 2020, 17:25 PM To be fully honest - the discrepancy between the cost, utility and combat performance is too big between pios and, say, sappers or even echelons+crew combo. I don't think veterancy is crucial here. Of course, the vet requirements should be lowered for pios as they are unjustly higher than other similar engies. However, something more must be done to make them more comparable to sappers (210manpower for 5 men squad lategame) or echelons that are more useful with crews, or finally comparing them to much cheaper cons. The problem is not vet that is most striking. The real problem is that when you need to replace them you lose infantry war even more as you need to invest 200manpower to repurchase pios while USF will invest the same amount into another tank or a combat infantry unit, Soviets will buy their CEs more cheaply and UKF will just get much more raw power for almost the same cost. This is the biggest issue. There are many doctrine repair options for Sov or UKF while ost needs to rely on relatively expensive pios. I really believe that the solutions I suggested above should be introduced together with changed vet. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Pioneers after early game21 May 2020, 23:02 PM Solution: 1. Make ost pios cheaper 10mp after every researched battlephase so that if a player loses them they will need to sacrifice a bit less manpower rebuing repair units thus making infantry game lost or leaving vehicles unrepaired. 2. Adjust vet requirement so that pios are not the worst in this respect. Some seeping and obstacle clearing exeperience gain would be a good idea for engineers. 3. Alternative: Make mg42 10-20manpower more expensive and pios 30mp cheaper from the start. This could also work as many players believe mg42 is too good for how much you pay for it. this could kill 2 birds with one stone. 4. I feel shared veterancy might be a bit risky and difficult to balance. 5. 5 men squads for ost are a very good idea as balancing them is so much easier. But maybe it is better to stick to 4 men squads because of their uniqueness and toy with pricing instead. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Pioneers after early game21 May 2020, 22:53 PM Jump back to quoted post21 May 2020, 14:48 PMSkysTheLimit Yes it's a different conversation, I just explained why. Balancing mainline infantry is not the same as engineers And yes it is absolutely reflected in the price. You have unlock costs for their weapon racks, the costs of the weapons themselves, bolster cost... Their better combat potential doesn't just fall out of the sky 1. No, it is not - it is the same logics and You just don't want to admit that. 2. No - the unlocks are very similar to researching battlephases. The costs are there only the factions are not symmetrical and you know it well. Nobody thinks they fall out of the sky unless it is You. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Pioneers after early game21 May 2020, 22:49 PM Jump back to quoted post21 May 2020, 11:51 AMKatitof Do you not understand that standard tech is exclusively a function of TIMING, unless you have some rank 8000 meta no tech at all build order? Do you not understand that cost that isn't directly bound to tech is an additional side cost that bloats units value and is divided by the number of units benefiting from the upgrade? Yes, you have choice when you want to invest, no, linear tech cost is NOT the same thing regarding value, its in the name - side cost aka something additional to regular tech. I'll get crayons and we'll try again if you still struggle to get it. I love such arguments - what has it got to do with a simple fact that pios are more expensive than CEs offering nothing better and similarly priced to a much more potent USF and UKF engineers lategame? Hoiw can You not see that? The crayons bit for U (and Your minions tbh): 1. Sappers - 210 manpower for a 4 or 5 men squad with great close range fighting potential, able to equip all sorts of racks weapons, have snares and get further upgrades through tech. I don't even want to mention all the structures they can build (according to the logic from this thread they should probably cost around 400-500 manpower only because of what they build). 2. Rear echelons - are 200mp and can equip anything they want from racks in two slots, become 5 men in an instant with bazookas. Can becaome the best tank support similar to a much more expensive pzgren squad. Are accompanied by vehicle crews so that they don't need to get their hands dirty with repairs. 3. CEs - I don't even want to repeat how greatly disposable they are and cheap plus can, for example, reliably halt a much more expensive gren squad. What is there to not understand? Simple facts. Pios have to confront all the above armies. The only reason why it is so difficult to comprehend is that some people just don't really want to balance the game but prefer to keep asking for nerfs for the armies they play agains and buffs for their favourite faction I guess. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Pioneers after early game21 May 2020, 22:35 PM Jump back to quoted post21 May 2020, 09:19 AMMr Carmine So usf and ukf spending recourses unlocking just the racks to able able to put upgrades at about 80 to 90 muni to put double upgrades on their engineers, dont add up to their cost? Ukf lacking cqc entirely outside sappers and them not being in t0 does not allow them to have good dps at closer ranges? You are mixing too many things in one post. Ostheer tech requires you to pay just for teching (battlephases) and then build a structure (by pios!) to purchase units. It is basically the same cost to make a long story short. Problems of other armies should be analysed in different threads - not in a pio-past-early-game thread. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Pioneers after early game21 May 2020, 07:48 AM Jump back to quoted post20 May 2020, 19:39 PMSkysTheLimit People were saying an engineer that has more utility should be more expensive. Given that the entire job of an engineer is to provide utility... Now your talking about mainline infantry. Completely different conversation Also btw, you forgot to mention cons have to invest in side-techs for their snare/worse grenade. They already are more expensive than grens Reduce pio vet requirements. That's all that's needed 1. Not a different conversation. Especially that people against making pios more competitive or cheaper keep suggesting they do more and thus should be more expensive than CEs. The same people don't see that echelons and sappers can be much more deadly lategame and cost as much as pios. Mainline infantry, especially conscripts, often have more abilities and it is not always/almost never reflected in the price. 2. Vet requirements won't do the trick imo although they are unjustly higher for pios than fro CEs. It won't be enough. The goal would be either to make pios as useful as, say, sappers OR make them simply cheaper to be more disposable and more easily replaced when lost. I like the latter solution better as ost can really be completely outplayed if they can't replace their engineers. It is especially visible against USF - because of crews. But also against Soviets to a lesser but significant degree - due to cheaper cost of replacing and reinforcing CEs on top of many other non stock repair abilities. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Pioneers after early game21 May 2020, 06:36 AM Jump back to quoted post21 May 2020, 02:58 AMthedarkarmadillo Except it isn't cut and dried for grens like it is cons. But when it comes to pios I understand it is cut and dried in your opinion... Supposedly more utility means they should be more expensive to reinforce and purchase than CEs, even when UKF can pay 210manpower for 5 men sappers with much more utility and USF pays 200manpower for echelons that have more utility, and basically the faction will use free crews to repair anyways. This you don't see - but you believe that cons are worse/too expensive when compared to grens despite many players say cons are almost OP at this point in the game. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Pioneers after early game21 May 2020, 06:27 AM Jump back to quoted post20 May 2020, 19:27 PMSmartie I know im late to the party but how about that idea: - Make the Pioneer support package from "Strategic Reserves" nocdoctrinal. - It would be a nice buff and dont cause any balance issues. Not even the hardest allied fanboys have ever complained about it. Las but not least The problem, it seems, is first to illustrate how weak pios actually are compared to other engineering units. Right now many allied-only-players-forum-members don't see how much more ostheer has to pay for their engineering compared to allied factions. I guess a satisfying/balanced solution can come only after they actually see how imbalanced it is at the moment. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Pioneers after early game21 May 2020, 06:16 AM Jump back to quoted post20 May 2020, 19:45 PMKatitof You forgot to mention the part, where cons are much worse in actual combat and can't trade efficiently vs anything without one of their weapon upgrades, while pios have target size and DPS perfectly in line with all other engineer squads around their price. It seems that it is actually You who forgot that most players stopped using grens because they are so ineffective. So you are simply wrong. Cons are better than grens both at fighting and utility. Pios are too expensive if you compare them with CEs, echelons+crews combo, UKF sappers - especially lategame. The pios dps is irrelevent past the first few minutes of the gameplay - their engineering capabilities are used then. Lategame sappers or echelons will have significantly better combat+utility potential lategame, which is even worse as pios are similarly priced but will never be that potent (just to remind You: echelons will become 5 men stock at vet three, can eqip, for example, two bazookas and a sweeper and become a pzgren squad without grenades but with repairs for just 200manpower. Sappers will become stock five men with bolster and can get weapon upgrades and bonuses with anvil plus can equip any weapons from racks. They have a snare, mines and build a lot of different structures - all for just 210manpower). The author of the thread is right - pios look terribly bad in comparison and this is imbalanced. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Pioneers after early game20 May 2020, 19:13 PM To those who justify pios price as they "do" more than CEs: Let's look at the stock conscript squad - 1. Oorah! 2. sandbags 3. tripwireflare 4. molotov 5. at snare 6. stock 7th man. 7. ability to merge Now it is a gren's squad turn - 1. build bunkers 2. at snare 3. riflenade 4. can be upgraded with an mg To be remembered: Cons get 6 men stock while grens get only 4. The price - it is the same (240mp). I understand that now all forum members who believe that a unit that "does more" should be more expensive will advocate increasing the price on conscripts. In: COH2 Balance