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2v2 is hard to balance, 3v3 and 4v4 is just impossible to balance

Okay that is fine, then we don't have to try at all?

A simple but obvious example: In the vanilla version of the game there was an Ostheer commander with a LKW that you could drive on a ressource point to get more income out of it for the whole team. So if you took this commander you and your mates could build the normal caches and in addition you drove the LKW on ressource points. This lead to a huge ressource advantage in the lategame of the Ostheer vs Soviet matchup at 3vs3 and 4vs4 while it was only a small advantage in 2vs2. Obviously it was no problem at all in 1vs1.
The simple patch solution that came shortly before OKW/USF hit the field was only letting the player gain the ressources who build the LKW. Pretty simple but ingenious, no influence at 1vs1 matchup but a huge impact on balance of other modes in the right direction.

This example shows clearly that the sentence "3v3 and 4v4 is just impossible to balance" is just a lazy excuse for not beeing willing to invest anything to make this game better for all players in all game modes. I don't claim this game will be balanced at 4vs4 ever, but yes it could be way better than it is today. There are solutions, some are simple, some need thinking out of the box.

coh2 is pretty balanced now, outside okw vs brits matchup

Sadly it is not, if you are not speaking about Top50 1vs1 again, just some examples:

- timing of CP dependent units/abilities is vastly differnt across game modes from 1vs1 to 4vs4
- length of early/mid/late game phases is vastly differnt across game modes from 1vs1 to 4vs4 too
- at some maps it is better to start at top or bottom
- at some maps a few units are close to be op, while they are next to useless at other maps
- still there are some very obvious unbalanced combos starting with 2vs2 that could be easily corrected
- OKW ressource managment (no caches but salvage) starts to get weird from 2vs2 and up
- still there are uncounterable ability sight tools
- flanking is an integral mechanic of this game - some units depent on it - still there are maps with not enough space for flanking, this is especially true for all the 3vs3 and 4vs4 maps
- too few stratgic/fuel/mun points in bigger game modes

- there is more...

A lot of this is just bad map design, but that is a big part of the balance. Still the game is fun, but I'm all in for correcting some of that flaws.

players, who dont know how the games work, cant speak about balance, cuz you dont consider many options, omegalol
i love this forums

Wow, thats a kind one. I love this forums too, because there are people who seem to think that people outside top50 don't know how the game works. Thx in the name of all of them.

To be in the top50 is a lot more than knowing how the game works, it is about constantly playing and developing micro skills. It is about exploiting map design, about knowing the best spot for building your truck for example. I guess there are a lot of people above top50 that played strategy games as some of the top50 weren't even born. Because of kids and work they don't have the time for constant training. They play just a couple of games with friends once or twice a week. But they may know strategic/tactical basics a lot better becasue of their experience. Imagine, just for a moment, they might be able to understand how the game works. And then imagine they do have a right to play a fair and balanced game too. A good game isn't balanced in the Top50 only. Just consider this from time to time, it will help a lot. With best Regards

to make it clear, if you talk about balance outside 1v1/2v2 just shut up
there is no garrison heavy maps in the pool besides lost glider and arnhem which you should veto anyways
UC is basically a good LV with insane timing that costs no fuel and litterally noone uses flamer on it cuz Bren upgrade is better upgrade in every department. it ruins earlygame for okw and is just too good for the price, if you ahd to sacrifice your timings for using it it would be far better
kubel is 210 and UC is 260 plus ammo, fair price
USF mortar is shit and noone ever used it, idk how desperate you would have to be to actually build usf mortar
besides that ukf can have 6min AEC to dislodge any garrison

First of all this is your opinion, don't tell people who don't share it to shut up, if you want to be taken for serious futhermore.

Next there are some maps with key buildings in 1vs1 and 2vs2. If your opponent garrisons there, you'll have a hard time to dislodge them without Wasp.

I don't think that noone - like you said - uses WASP or USF mortar. Just don't say that because you don't use them. I'm using both and I have seen other players using them so Imo you argument is invalid already.

Last OKW has a very strong early game. In addition it has the Puppchen. What more do you need to counter UC?

USF has mortar in T0

Exactly and mobile smoke on REs an an alternate option to storm buildings too (its a side tech, but you want to have grenades on many maps nonetheless).