All the difference of vet3 T-34/76 from vet0 are:
Secure Mode
speed - 7,8 from 6,5
reload speed - 3,83 from 6,75
turret rotation - 47,25 from 35
ac/de-celeration - 2,76 from 2.3
rotation - 43,2 from 36
For comparison, vet3 PanzerIV vs vet0:
Blitzkrieg - speed bonus to 8.505, ac/de-celeration to 3,276
armor - 234/117 from 180/90
reload speed - 4,1 from 5,75
turret rotation - 49 from 35
ac/de-celeration - 2,52 from 2,1
rotation - 38,4 from 32 |
Finaly. Finaly someone with THE SOLUTION.
Actually, this solution was here - like from 3rd page, and not once or twice after that, in different variants. |
Guys, aren't you forgeting something?
There is some problems with this position - that it will be changed, like it or not, and not only this unit, and it will shatter old balance proportions, and after that it will be other patches and all of them will "trigger other changes". And new faction(s) will do it even more, much more, and Relic will add them. Game isn't in the place now, when it can survive stagnation. |
@newvan
Your English is bad mate. i have no idea what those graphs are or where they come from.
I'm sorry that I suck at foreign languages. First one is simple basic geometry drown by myself, anyone able to make and chek it, geometry wouldn't lie. Second - it just example with ballistic formula, particularly this one from state technological university of Belarus, it wasn't made for Panzer IV ammo, but for shells that are close to it's characteristics. Even for more basic parabolic trajectory we need a lift in 30 degree for gun, to make such shoot, you can find same looking graphics at any ballistic related site. Third - from french site, I think it quite relayable source.
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1. mate thats the glacis that will never ever get hit with a straight attack and 30 degrees is very generous.
2. considering how many tanks the soviets where forced to abandon in 1941 its fair to say the t-34 did had problems. it did become a very reliable tank. however the 85 once again had some problems with its suspension that was a bit overburdened
3. bis 1 char with 60 mm sloped armour. and the panthers where not deployed in Africa because they simply did not exist. tigers on the other hand where deployed.
1.Yeahh... very uncommon, mate, if Panzer IV works like artillery or USSR was land of hills, I know that Moscow stands on 7 hills but whole Great European Plain...
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About trajectory for 800 m/s shell.
2.Most abandons were through destroyed logistics, like - lack of fuel and spare parts, supply vehicles, on the front, chaotic retreat, domination of Luftwaffe and lack of coordination in command.
3.How many of those monsters were build, less than 400? Half of them were captured, so against this machine Panther were developed? And now some maths... again, it has 40 angle, like you can see here
and 60 mm on Char B1 bis, 60/cos40=78,324..., o my god, it less than T-34, and Char B1 bis was counted as "heavy" tank. |
Oh boy the t-34 is once again...
Completely false. depending on what gun the p4 long barrel could knock out a t-34 out between 1000-1500 meters. use this as reference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.5_cm_KwK_40
You do realize that 45mm on 60 angle is 90 mm for frontal shoot? It's 45/cos60=90, it's school program.
Once again this is false. The t-34 had some major issues in the beginning.
But most of those problem was solved during prototype series 1938-1939 and first line productions of 1940.
False once again. The Germans realised that they needed better tanks after encountering the much better French and British tanks that the German panzers simply could not handle. when the Germans invaded Russia the panther and tigers where already being designed.
Which model of French tank? The idea of 30 ton tank was in development from 1937 by Непschel, but it's interesting that first prototypes was build only after invasion in USSR in 1942. And it must be fearsome British tanks was a reason why first serial Panther wasn't deployed in Africa, but on the other front.
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So say it has like 230 frontal armor (so still easy to pen with dedicated AT guns)
It seems more like damage sponge than AT. Good penetration, but only on the closest distance could be interesting choice. And the idea of upgrade to OT for Mu, is still my favourite from other options, or some other Mu dependant upgrade, but I cant see which one, only other option is anti cumulative net.
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For "AT T-34/76", what roughly speaking characteristics we are speaking about - bad AOE, same mg, same armour and health, same speed, 160 dmg, so what for pen and cost? And don't forget NDA from T3 with alike role and cheaper price.
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76 would be fine in a more AT intensive role to encourage its use, with a fuel increase to bring that in line.
Personally I would prefer AI accent for T-34/76, and very soon you will know why. |
No the only reason people praise the t34 is because the soviet industry and economy could mass produce anything they wanted. Guarantee that if germany was the one to make the t34/76 and could only produce maybe 12-15 thousand of them we would call them idiots for making such a shit tank. Anything is good if you can make enough of them. I mean 48,000 of the 55,000 t34s made were destroyed. Not a good tank, was shit. t34/85 is the only good tank there.
You do realize that the only difference of T-34/85 from T-34/76 is turret and turret ring? Production of Т-34/76 begun in 1940 it was very innovative tank of this period, there was the need for better gun, fully cast turret, diesel engine for cold winter, cheap and simple suspension, sloped armour, even small details like turret rotation lever
It,s two in one - electric and manual, all other tanks have 2 separate levers, even Tiger. Of course it has flows, like one of the most important - lack of communication systems, cause poor production of them, or very a small area for driver and other things. The mass production of T-34/76 is connected to the adjusted production cycle, you need time and resources to change it, and in the long war you need a constant flow of new tanks, because they will die/break/abandon after retreat, no matter how "good" or expensive they are.
people are acting like t34/76s should be superior to the panzer4s.
Were? Could you tipe the number of post that says that T-34/76 must be better than Panzer IV, all I see - that people wont a role for this tank, so it could be valid choice.
And it was 35312 - T-34/76 and 21048 - T-34/85 produced until 1945. |