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Cool story, again, how is this related to your thread's supposed point?

Dude said coh2 tournys have been great so I pointed out all of the flaws and problems associated with the previous tournies. People like to dismiss criticism as "haters gonna hate" but it is an objective fact that coh2 sucks. Try to find another dev studio with Relic's track record. I don't know any other game where every patch breaks the game, especially during the biggest tourny in coh2 history. I don't know a dev studio that puts thousands of dollars into their esports scene just so they can pull the plug & fire the whole dev team. Majority of the coh2 pros have only been in the coh2 scene or at least been in it for a long time so they are acclimated to this level of mediocrity. There is a systemic apathy in the community when people expect Relic to fuck up.

As to the broader point, Relic could experiment with their RNG system if balance were more on point. When simple balance is hard for you, you can't experiment with your fundamental systems. When we eventually get balance updates (since Relic shifted that responsibility on to the community), the underline problems will still persist & weaken the integrity of the game. Treating symptoms while leaving the underline condition untreated will kill the patient.

More StarCraft and less what made CoH... basically CoH, right?

I mean why not just go and play StarCraft, it's obvious this game will NEVER be competitive.

And I see no point in Relic trying to abide to StarCraft's fanbase made up of competitive high APM mlg "pros" that go around trying to ruin other games when they get bored of SC2.

And now thanks to those same people Relic are making Dawn of War III into StarCraft with a Warhammer 40,000 skin on top, great.

Way to go assholes, first MOBAs and now turning good tactical games into StarCraft, just brilliant.

Note: No this is not directed towards Shadowada I have nothing against him, I'm just talking about it in general, I'm just noting my observations.

I'd say they are making DoW3 closer to LoTV since SC2's problem was lack of micro since it boiled down to who could execute macro timings the best. With Legacy of the void, they added a bunch of micro based units to inject variety based on player skill into the game. I think it is a good thing to have this influence DoW3 since it is a good way to get variety into a game rather than "herpa derpa lets add random RNG to make it funz" as well as add a higher skill cap by having a focus be on micro rather than just macro.

One of CoH2's major problems is the sheer amount of variables in the system. If balance was on point, Relic would be able to experiment with all these variables but they can barely juggle one thing at a time so there is no way they can juggle all the balls in the air. By streamlining cover, damage, abilities, asymmetrical design, it should make the DoW3 better.

One of CoH2’s fundamental problems is the lack of consistency in the RNG. For a game to be competitive, the main determiner of a match needs to be player skill. Take a card game like Hearthstone or poker, a skilled player can calculate the probabilities of drawing a card so while luck/RNG plays a huge role, the player can play around it since it is consistent; there can’t be a game of poker or blackjack where there is more than 52 cards or there is 5 kings in the deck.

Unlike this consistent RNG, CoH2’s rng is random. The obvious example is tank combat where a tank or AT shot misses multiple times in a row or hits multiple times in a row (Honorable mention is tank phasing since sometimes tanks block each other while other times tanks go through one another. Why this glitch is still in the game is beyond me). While tank combat is the easiest to see the influence of RNG, it is pervasive throughout the whole system. Basic infantry combat has many variables influencing if a target deals damage: unit mobility, target distance, weapon ammo, cover. Even if the target deals damage, the model drop is completely random (as many of you know from watching my stream, I hate the random model drop.). Sometimes a 50% hp squad will have full models. Sometimes a 30% hp squad will have full models. I've even seen less than 5% hp squads have full models. There is absolutely nothing the player can do to influence whether a model drops.

While majority of the systemic RNG problems would need a rework to fix, there is simple RNG problems that are still in the game such as vehicle abandons, weapon drops, and mine crits. It is incredible stupid to have these RNG elements in the game as they degrade CoH2’s competitive integrity. I joke I’ll give someone thousands of dollars if they can give me a legit balance reason why completely random vehicle abandons, weapon drops, and crits should be in the game and I’ve yet to hear a good answer.

Now in a defense of Relic’s decision, it is difficult to balance the competitive aspects in conjunction with the fun aspects. In a purely balanced system, it wouldn’t be as fun due to lack of variety. However, Relic took the easy fix to add variety by adding purely random elements into coh2.

The way to fix the RNG problem:

1. Remove the stupid RNG – abandons and weapon drops

2. Fix the model drop by making it more consistent - complex issue since indirect fire complicates the issue since if tied directly to hp %, one mortar could kill most models while in current system, you have the chance to heal the damage. To fix model drop, you have to make indirect fire more consistent.

3. Fix the algorithm for tank combat so penetrations, hits, and misses are more consistent. (might want to consider simplifying penetration where if the penetration is above the armor value, it does damage while if it is under, it doesn’t do damage so the RNG is tied to hit/miss chance.)

As long as CoH2’s fundamental problems remained unfixed, any balance changes won’t have a major effect; Renovating your house’s rooms won’t matter if the foundation is shit. If the fundamentals aren’t fixed, it will continue to stunt and shrink our competitive scene until there is nothing left.

Guys guys guys. Don´t let yourself to get confused by wadas words. Because there were big mistakes in past, it shouldn´t discourage us to create better future of coh2.

If we manage to create balance game, I think, playerbase won´t go down so drasticly

I don't doubt that the community can make a balance game but because we are at this point, I do doubt relic will release new content or try to make esports a reality

They are being taken into consideration since they are doing the heavy lifting for relic so relic gets a patch made by the community for free. If you're going to be salty at someone, be salty at relic for not hiring real devs & putting a real effort into their game tbh