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Thread: Shreks5 Jun 2015, 17:43 PM You are taking into account that your on steppes or something like that where you can keep your medium tanks at range and are in a open field with nothing to block you or cause your tank to do some shit pathing. Most maps it is not that easy to simply stay at max range and slowly reversing. Obviously I don't usually send mediums forward with out scouting infantry but 2 squads of shreks could come around a building and insta salvo your medium easily not giving you time to reverse or smoke. 2 squads of zooks are most likely not going to insta knock out your pz4 and give you time to escape. Plus you can simply hit the magic insta smoke button. Goes along with the whole thing of axis can make mistakes with there tanks cause of the shit knock out ability of zooks and there magic smoke and race car blitz and panthers. Allies make one tiny mistake with a tank run into a squad of shrek mobs and insta killed with no time to smoke reverse other than pray to the rng gods and drive on top of them hoping there is no other AT nearby or more schrek mobs. Things like losing a sherman to something like that early on can really screw USF. My opinion still stands that shreks are too effective at killing allied armor in vast comparison to ptrs or zooks doing the equal to axis armor. I understand that the sherman or e8 is not designed to kill AT infantry, They are to fight other mediums and flank heavy armor JohnnyB but that is tough to do when there are shreks everywhere and it takes like 6-10 hits with multiple mediums in the ass of a tiger to kill it giving the hordes of shrek mobs time to respond and insta slavo all your mediums possibly saving the tiger and your well made flank that completely caught the tiger of whatever sorts by suprise is turned upside down on you. Pz4 and all aixs tanks can fight our AT infantry just fine though. Makes sense. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Shreks4 Jun 2015, 18:14 PM Another food for thought when a shrek gets dropped on the ground you telling me you've never had that epic battle no matter what side your on to get the shrek back or steal it. People want it like crack there is a reason for that, zook laying on the ground people just walk by it lol. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Shreks4 Jun 2015, 18:07 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Jun 2015, 18:03 PMAlexzandvar That my friend, is entirely the point for OKW (or at least Relic has said as much). As a trade off for having less fuel income and thus much less ready access to AT options OKW gets to have it's basic infantry get shreks. Now, the Shrek blob of today is by and far removed from the Shrek blob of our forefathers. It's accuracy has been nerfed twice, and the Veterancy on Volks that made it a nightmare to deal with once they hit Vet 5 has been dealt with. non-volks centered strategies are possible for OKW, but normally just replace spamming one thing with spamming something else. I dunno i'm not a big stat look up guy I read the patch notes and I know they nerfed the accuracy from long range but to me that was never the problem that needed nerfing it is the pen and the damage. Classic relic thinking. And the fact to me it does not seem to lower volks dps against infantry as the shrek does pretty good dmg to riflemen sometimes it feels like the shreks give them more dps. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Shreks4 Jun 2015, 18:03 PM And there is a reason I am not saying make the zook like the shrek is because the zook is perfectly fine it does what intended. The shrek not soo much viable AT the entire game. Making the zook like the shrek would be like making the katusha like the stukka again and we all know how much axis disliked that but the walking stuka being nerfed to katusha level is a whole other conversation. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Shreks4 Jun 2015, 17:58 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Jun 2015, 17:35 PMAlexzandvar Different strokes for different folks. Bigger games modes open up a lot more room for "fun" stuff. My preferred game mode at the moment would be 2's tho. By checking your player card Alex I've played about the same amount of games as you if not a little more mostly 4v4 and quite a bit of 2v2 which I am above 500 with my 2v2 partner. Just mentioning that because you were giving me beginner tips lol. Even in 2's at least ones I play the flaktrack for either faction will not stay up for so long and once it does go down your just not going to build another cause you have shermans and they have panthers by then so I don't find that a very great volk/pgren mob tool. Staying at range is of course a great idea but the game and most maps favor axis defensive positions. You have to attack at some point and you have to break axis defensive positions or lose by VP. Of course there is arty and other things to try to soften them up first but to me it still comes down to having to move forward with armor at some point and when axis already have the best TD's in the game which I usually don't see them have trouble fielding elephants in 2v2 JT's not as much, then how are you going to stay at range? Most likely your going to have to go attack them unless you have managed to keep and guard the vp points. The shrek mobs lingering everywhere makes this pretty difficult to do in 2v2 and almost impossible in 4v4 with armor. You can only out range axis for a time until they out range you and your IS2 can't do much then. But I mean there is a million different situations depending on factions/commanders/how they play/how you adapt. The shrek is great as soon as equiped, even does good dmg to infantry, and scales on into the game is over. To me it's like giving them a handicap or a head start in a race and if they didn't get a unfair start in the race perhaps I would win more races. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Shreks4 Jun 2015, 17:27 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Jun 2015, 16:18 PMAlexzandvar It depends on which Shrek your talking about. Giving Shreks to Pgrens unless you using Luftwaffe Supply, Close Air Support, or Oustruppen is always a bad idea because Pgrens are very easy to 1 shot and you need to stick them in the range of a tank to shoot the shreks. In that case a very large amount of micro is require to keep the Pgrens alive. Volk shreks are easy to use by design since OKW doesn't have very plentiful and mobile AT (Volk shreks also cost a lot, with the income reduction accounted for they cost 112 munitions) because they lack of the fuel to get lots of Vehicles and the Rackten only has 50 range. If you opponent is spamming Volks you can do a couple of things: 1. Spam Harder; Volks have pathetic performance versus enemy infantry so get stuff like 1919 Rifles/Para's or Shocks which will tear them apart. 2. Crushing; this is a big thing because OKW lacks any kind of snare so he can't stop you from just crushing all his infantry without retreating. USF has the best vehicles for this but both the T34 variants can do it. Remember to make tight turns without stopping. And even if you don't crush them pushing Volks stops their shreks from firing meaning you can employ this tactic using non-heavy crush armor. 3. Artillery; Katyusha's and other artillery will annihilate Volks blobs, as well as blobs in general. 4. Kiting; Shreks have 35 range so you can kite them with basically any vehicle. This is best done with the USF AA HT since it also suppresses the infantry making them unable to move at top speed. With even better micro you can do with with duel MHC's and wipe squads like there's no tomorrow. 5. Overpower them; A good OKW player will volley fire his Shreks at 1 tank to kill it as fast as possible, a bad one will just let his shreks hit what ever. When facing a good player make sure to focus fire his Volk squads 1 at a time instead of shooting at different ones. Turn his tactics against him. Or just employ none of those tactics and charge blindly into enemy lines with TD's meant to engage at range. Yes those are all things I already employ and it is done much easier in 2v2, Allies period have it much easier in 2v2 and 1v1. It is when you get to 3's and 4's where you will get at least 2 sometimes 3 people with the grenblob or volkblob and just wait til heavys. If the shrek was not soo good at what it does then I do not think you would see the blobing you do now. It is pretty simple in most cases they really don't have to make anything else especially in 3v3 4v4. as for the video yeah I would of split the tanks and moved them in a wider flank on each side. Why I posted it was if you noticed the ammount of dmg the shrek mobs were doing the whole time ultimately making a huge impact on how much dmg their late game vehicles took sometimes if your vehicle lives to take one more shot it can make a huge difference on which piece of armor survives (the king tiger). I probably would of used the e8 range smoke on top of the pak and shrek mobs. Just saying why can't the shrek be on par with the zook. The shrek at zook levels would deal moderate damage and be able to ward off early game armor like the zook does everything up to pz4 but not be able to insta destroy a sherman e8 or 34/85 with one salvo (or very close to it depending). What if zooks were able to do that to panthers? I think that would be fun. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Shreks4 Jun 2015, 15:55 PM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5ptvd6NQac In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Shreks4 Jun 2015, 15:29 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Jun 2015, 09:00 AMJohnnyB Here is my contribution to your thread and my solution for your question. It's perfect, once applied, you will solve the problem: lol. There is simply no reason for the shrek to be so powerful when in general axis are fighting lighter armor. I have no problem beating them it is just annoying why relic need to make things easy for axis and not much micro or intelligence needed. For example the magic smoke they get that is a get out of jail free card compared to the shitty smoke the sherman get that can't be fired on top of your vehicle and has a delay which makes it useless most the time to try and save your tank. It really does make it rewarding winning as allies in 4v4 although. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Charts and Statistics - coh2Chart.com4 Jun 2015, 02:17 AM Hahahah the 4v4 charts.... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Shreks3 Jun 2015, 15:06 PM So tired of losing games do to volks mobs that vetted seem to take no dmg and panzergrens because of the personal hand cannons they get to have. They really just ruin 3v3 and 4v4 modes as they can just eliminate your ability to be able to use any armor and mostly your ability to take out an enemy tiger. Why should axis get infantry level AT that hard counters anything armored allied other than the IS2? It has better damage, better pen, better range that the zook. The zook I think is perfect for what it does which is warding off or taking out anything up to say a pz4. This is what I would think the shrek was also meant for and it does it way better and we actually have to run our tanks away from shreks but you hardly see a pz4 do that from ptrs or zooks but they still do enough dmg to ward the pz4 off or support our t-34 or sherman. Shreks also seem to have a much better fire rate and fire like a snapshot as soon as orders to attack unlike the zook it feels like it takes them 10 seconds to fire the first round. They rakentenwerfer is much better now I no longer see the need for the shrek to be as deadly as what it is for OKW. It should be on par with the zook it takes too much allied armor out of play. It just makes things way to easy for axis and should not HARD counter almost every late game armor we have. The best options is always to try to run the shrek mobs over but this works only some of the time thanks to the panzerfaust that always works on allied armor and doesn't take half a century to actually go off. They need a longer fire rate, less damage, and a little less pen just like the zook. No reason they need it like it currently is both factions have plenty of viable AT options same as soviets and USF get a long with no having shreks. or maybe only be allowed to equip one for 60 munitions. In: COH2 Balance