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I did, not sure if the math went right though.

In any case, the point is that Obers are late game, tech, manpower and munition intensive infantry units that are hard countered by all vehicles, received a lot of nerfs in the past, lost their built in MG and are as vulnerable to wipes to explosions as ever. To reach Vet 4, they need to do an insane amount of killing against lesser foes. So leave their RA bonuses be, they worked for it, any more nerfs and the unit is borderline broken.

And most importantly, either Obers can stay in the frontline even when they see a massive blob and do some damage to it and disencourage blobbing, or there will be just more Volks counter-blobbing once even Vetted Obers cease to work effectively. Which option is better for gameplay?

With DBP, even after all Veterancy they are basically on the same spot durability-wise as what was supposed to be the lamest, cheapest infantry (Cons) by the time Obers first hit the field or UKF infantry in late game craters .... Obers that work as intended and are unique or their watered down version that is basically just as IS squad that also fires on the move?

Was spamming Obers ever really a thing? Was it ever a problem? Because of their AT defiency, they can never work alone. And especially, how can WFA armies retain their double BARs/BRENs as their only justification, ie OKW infantry that dodges bullets literally ceased to exists..?

Piking the one thing cons are good and than compare them to Obers. Wow this post. Can you now compare the DPS? This would also be interesting.

Teching costs

T70: 95/105
Sherman 170/180
King Tiger 195 (without caches)
IS-2: CP only

Unit costs:

T70: 70
Sherman: 110
King Tiger 280 (without caches)

Thus the question to be asked is by the time anyone accumulates cc. 500 fuel (OKW can't build caches), is it one King Tiger or cc 3 Shermans firing HE is the one that decrews ATGs faster and more reliably.

It is also a question of which fires at 4 men Squads and Weapons teams the most and which one fires on 5-6 men squads and weapon teams.

I dont think any cost justify the power of the King Tiger. Maybe in 1 vs 1 its ok but in 2vs2+ you realy get problems. The Problem lies more within its durability + its damge it can inflict on Infantery. One SU-85 can barely push it away so you need 2 and even than you cant kill it reliable. So you need to pay 260 fuel on only AT to fear it certainly away.

The King Tiger on the otherhand can push forward fire a round killing half of a squad and retreat to save after.

In higher gamemodes if you dont lose hard in early or mid game you can easely save for the KT. Than mix in a Jagdtiger or an Elephant to counter all the AT vehicles and a Stuka zu Fuß for the AT-Guns and you get a hard to counter Combo.

I admit the KT is very expensive but nevertheless its to good against everything. It got 45 Range and 240 damage with goiod penetration. So exept for the Comet, the Pershing (even Range) and all AT-Vehicles it outranges the most Tanks. So its not a teribble AT-Unit. And beside of this its so deadly against Infantery.

I think its very cost efficient for what it does. But even if the cost effiency isnt given, the King Tiger does have a to big impact. So my suggestion is to nerf its performance against Infantery. Its forgiveness is kind of adressed in the DBP by nerfing the repair spead. But in exchange if its to UP reduce its price.

So if the DPS Numbers are correct it is always a bad idea to pick up a PTRS exept you are desperately need some AT.

Thank you for the information

the last few games i used this commander in 2vs2, especial against double okw. This unit wins you the early game against the usual kübel, Sturmpionier combo. The Unit alone seems very weak stat wise but with rifle man inside and the ability to repair everywhere its kinda strong. I have the feeling its much stronger as the soviet m3 because you can call it in after your second Rifle man. And dont forget to puch the enemys around so they cant shoot back.

the arty can do a lot of dmg. if you are stupid and dont move your brummbär it can one shot it