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That's not really what the discussion is about. Not adjusting for arranged teams is indeed a big problem in Coh2 matchmaking. But the point that Rosbone and others were trying to make - agree with it or don't - is that once you lose too much ELO, it is hard to regain it. This must be true for matches with all randoms as well, not just for arranged teams.



I'd doubt that another lobby will hugely benefit CoH3, as it would just split the player base further. They need to optimize their matchmaking though.
I think everyone understands that it will take some placement matches in the beginning, which is what every ELO system does to estimate your skill. Losing a game or two more than usual should not matter for the benefit of the system. If someone quits the game because he lost 6-7 out of 10 placement games, he wouldn't be around for long anyway.
The other option is also already existing: Custom matches. There just needs to be a proper and easy way to estimate the skill of each player in the lobby as well, and then you can kick people who are too good and want to stomp new players.

Yes it is hard to recover from ELO Hell I experienced it myself and this is why I think we need a specific lobby for non ranking game with strict rules against smurfs.
Many people don't care at all about ranking, they just want to play a fair game and have fun and for those people there is absolutly no reason to force them to continuously be stuck in the ELO HELL.

Then ELO HELL will always exist, there is always a bottom side for everything where toxic low level competitive players are living but at least it only affect competitive players.
A non-ranking lobby will be beneficial for all of us. A safe place for newbe to train on competitive maps so when they decide to hit the competitive lobby button they'll already be superior to toxic competitve players making the ELO HELL even further away to anyone. And if the new player feels he's in it, he can always go back to the safe lobby to train more.

At the end the idea is that people in the ELO HELL are there by choice not because they're new. But it requires strong enforcement rules to protect the safe-lobby from toxicity.

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Custom games are dedicated to stomp, stomp IA or stomp lower level players. Even if you create a game you'll only have stomp players to join your game and leave if they understand that's not a stomp game or that they are the one who's going to be stomped.

This thread made me want to try agin 4vs4 yesterday. First 4vs4 game since long and directly vs an arranged team, probably casted on twitch btw. Game lost.

I'm geniusly curious how 1 person can uplift his random teammates vs a team. I can agree, understand, that 1 really good player using a cheesy strat can do it at really low level but even then it all depend on the rest of the team to not themselves colapse vs their proper opponents.

In my opinion, with Coh3 Relic should enhance the most their new non-ranking lobby where people could simply play chill&learning at low level and within this enhancement have a pretty serious ban politic on who would have the "funny" idea to come there with a smurf and fuck it up for the new comers and learners.

There is definitely a need for a safe place for new players to learn the rope of multiplayer.

Yeah, so? USF can have soft retreat with heal and reinforce from T0 and keep pounding the enemy till he drops from tears or from soldiers. Any decent USF player knows that you have until maybe 15min mark to end the game. After the first Obers, LMG42 or even Panther rolls out, it's pretty much gg.

Ever heard about Ostheer bunker or 251?

If the 2v2 competitive auto match map pool would be like it SHOULD be, meaning every map is based on competitive design such as Elst Outskirts, Winnekendonk and Stadtschutt (that got removed for no good reason imo), then this pathfinder meta would not exist!


Btw no more patches are planned so no, pathfinders most likely won't get nerfed

Not even sure if those maps are good for USF seing where the fuel points are located, one HMG42/32 can lock down those area and force you to do what you usually do anyway on any other map: smoke and rush.

Also maps where OKW can reach your fuel point before your RE can even finish to cap it are usually terrible for USF.

That's because in order to kill it, you often have to chase the scott back to base on most maps.
Lets take a look, it dies from 3 shots, it is very fast and has rather small target size. If you consider the fact that chasing means shooting on the move in COH2, the amount of shots to kill a Scott can easily go up to 5. You add smoke and you have a cancer recipe, because good luck punishing that. Honestly, you need to be a have a severe acute case of "brain fart" to lose a Scott

Same thing with a Puma and any unit that get vet1 blitz or Panzer tactician