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You do realise that your counter cost 3 times more mp right?
The problem with both the t-34-85 and the e8 is that they over perform as AT tanks. if you look at the penetration rates both the e-8 and the t-34-85 nearly rivals that of the ami and soviet dedicated tank destroyers. So its easily capable of replacing either the jackson or the su85. Thats why you see the fucking spam: they are nearly as good as dedicated AI or AT tanks. The label jack of all trades cannot be applied to them. in sufficient numbers they become the master of all trades.
Increasing the fuel for these tanks will change nothing. i suggest we keep the fuel the same but decrease the penetration of both call ins to 120.
First of all getting 2 paks in a game is a basic necessity, I dont know how you play or what games you play (1v1,2v2 ect)but having less than 2 paks in 2v2 upwards is just silly and asking for trouble. Not having paks and just waiting around for your own armor = a loss against even a half decent allied player.
Secondly T85s or E8 are not Tigers or IS2s they go down easily, (again if you have paks and a single tank anything from a stug upwards), if your enemy has a horde of them, well you have already made massive mistakes in the game and deserve to lose.
As OKW a raketen will take down both tanks so easily when backed up with volks and shrecks, I dont understand how this is an issue for you?
PS Ever hear of teller mines?
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lol Apparently I never complained about them unkillable or overpowered.
T34/76 is NOT a joke on my hands; Maybe on your hands you make it suck shit? but on me, No. I can kill a stug with a little micro, go toe to toe with a Panzer 4. Is it a joke? LOL
T34/85 is apparently a very good tank. But no one says it "one hit wipe" or elefant penetration; up to a point i think this little medium tank just have too much health and too much firepower with that fuel cost.
Ya um I think you got a little mixed up in your keyboard rage there dude..........
Have a read of my post again,look at who I have replied to, and look at what I have suggested to you, and this time try and understand the words before/if you reply....
Do us all a favor and keep your rage bottled up and out of the forums ty! |
You didnt look at stats at all and complained about what you saw, not what is.
Its how you use a unit, and how you support it.
Come back once you know how units actually work.
T34/76 is a joke against other armor, and the t34/85 arrives with its counter already on the field, unless the enemy has no idea what he is doing.
I really REALLY hate when people exaggerate. "MASSIVE" health pool means it takes one more shot to kill than a t34/76, and at WORST, a panzer IV has a 0.625 chance of penetrating the t34/85 front. Stats, man.
"T34/76 is a joke against other armor" lolz are you loco bro? To you sir as you so nicely put it yourself, "Come back once you know how units actually work"........
As for the OP, hmmmm ya T85s are extremely strong in a good players hands, but can be easily countered with 2 paks and a medium tank, just learn to use units in concert with one another man. |
Thanks a lot for bringing clear numbers to what i was saying 
Indeed! You learn something new everyday!  |
Probably buff Panther to be as good as Oberkommando Panther (while keeping its current cost, which Wehrmacht can afford quite easily), and reduce the manpower costs of Wehrmacht battle phases, as they are currently over the top (you have to pay the price of a PIV to tech to tier 4 + make the T4 building, which isn't appealing at all, considering the performances of the units it unlocks).
I won't comment on the Brummbar as i mostly never used it.
It seems that the Panzerwerfer could use a little love as well, nobody needs another Katyusha balance error as it is now, but if Katyusha is nerfed, then Panzerwerfer would see more play.
Wehrmacht is a good faction overall, it needs some costs adjustments, and have it's T4 mainbattle tank be actually useful.
My 2 cents.
Are the OKW and Osteer Panthers not the exact same (except for vet bonus)? I could be wrong but........
Overall the panther needs a buff, this "its dedicated anti-tank role" is just not being fulfilled, it was nerfed while all Russian armor was buffed, hence its current state. I would increase its fire rate and give it a slight armor increase, but keep everything else as is, at V2 is can be a beast even now.
As for the brumbar I just dont use it so no ideas there! The pwefer is so underrated! The only thing holding this unit back is the teching cost to get it, its barrage is highly effective vs infantry and support teams. Comparing it to the current state of the Kat though, yes it looks UP but that is only due to that fact that the Kat is way too OP! |
It should be something like the mortar tank from USA but firing only when not moving.
Very interesting point sir! In fact as it stand right now (Armour,rotation, damage output, ect) this would be viable imo. The teching cost and price of the 76 is more than the US M8, and the 76 is currently redundant as it is. |
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A buff? prehaps but they will need a price increase if so, as it stands i very very rarely see them and their current state is the most likely reson
Ill prob get banned for saying this........such is COH2.org lolz |
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Anyone who even suggests that the kat is not over preforming is simply crazy..... Relic one again did a fantastic job buffing units so that they can be abused.
Also no surprise that Katitof has said it isnt OP, lolz what a guy! |
you obviously haven't used the tank yourself
the fact that your numbers show the PaK bounces at all ranges is clear proof that you are wrong
E8 has never bounced a shot from a pak gun, nor should it
also, jackson is dogshit on any map that isn't a wide open field, like steppes
.......like steppes
you see right here is why you should never comment on balance. You do not play 1v1 which is where 90% of balance issues occur, with 9.5% in 2v2s and the remaining in the noob blob 3v3s/4v4s. |
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