T34-76/85 needs a fuel cost increase

Jump back to quoted post29 Jul 2014, 14:47 PMSUCKmyCLOCK

"T34/76 is a joke against other armor" lolz are you loco bro? To you sir as you so nicely put it yourself, "Come back once you know how units actually work"........

As for the OP, hmmmm ya T85s are extremely strong in a good players hands, but can be easily countered with 2 paks and a medium tank, just learn to use units in concert with one another man.

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2014, 08:17 AMJaigen

You do realise that your counter cost 3 times more mp right?

The problem with both the t-34-85 and the e8 is that they over perform as AT tanks. if you look at the penetration rates both the e-8 and the t-34-85 nearly rivals that of the ami and soviet dedicated tank destroyers. So its easily capable of replacing either the jackson or the su85. Thats why you see the fucking spam: they are nearly as good as dedicated AI or AT tanks. The label jack of all trades cannot be applied to them. in sufficient numbers they become the master of all trades.

Increasing the fuel for these tanks will change nothing. i suggest we keep the fuel the same but decrease the penetration of both call ins to 120.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jul 2014, 21:28 PMJinseual

It's all about RNG. The only difference between the T34 and Panzer IV is that the T34 is better against infantry

Jump back to quoted post28 Jul 2014, 15:45 PMsiuking666

T34/76 vs Pz4:
T34 has always had very solid anti-inf power, way better than Pz4;
now since it got a huge anti-tank buff, and they can penetrate Pz4 armor from any angle from the max range. So basically, T34/76 dominates Pz4 in both AI and AT role, while Pz4 cannot be used as a breakthrough (soviet t3 rush) tank anymore. Pz4 has a fuel cost of 125 while T34/76 is 100. In that case, for every 5 t34, there will only be 4 pz4. but their power is more or less the same.

From experiment, now T34/76 can penetrate Panther FRONT armor within mid-range. Panther has got thick armor as a Tiger, but they penetrate it from the front so easily. T34/76 has the speed of a panther to get close enough, or even flank it.

So conclusion is, since the Anti-tank buff of T34/76, they even scale up to Ostheer T4, this should cost more than 100 fuel. Now it is overperforming and kind of spammable.

On the other hand, T34/85 is more or less the same story.
For 10 more fuel than a Pz4, it has even better anti-inf power from its AOE.
And for tank battle, Pz4 won't stand up to its massive health pool

the super mobility and penetration of this thing makes it a tank destroyer. It is similar to panther from stats, it can penetrate tiger with ease, but only cost 135 fuel, teching not required, no building time, extremely spammable.

The T34 after the buff is overperforming for their costs.

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2014, 08:57 AMjackill2611

And why relic got to do that? Dom't see tje point. 120 pen is nothing wrong to fight Ostwind and Pz4, but T34|85 come lategame and supposed to fight heavy tanks. I know the unit itself is good, but there are many viable counters to it.

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2014, 11:09 AMJaigen

Why should it counter heavy tanks? you got tank destroyers for that. and if it counters heavy tanks and be IA shouldnt it be 175 like the panther?

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2014, 13:19 PMjackill2611

Why? Because of
1)CP and late income time = battlefield with Heavy tanks.
2)High fuel cost (not per unit , I agree that it is cheap as per unit).

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2014, 14:12 PMJaigen

Heavy tanks is not an argument you got TD's for that but they are not used because the 85 and e8 take their roles. this game is also becoming boring as fuck because of it. nearly 99% of all the soviets and ami take the e8 and 85 commanders and you use a build specifically to counter this. Other doctrine that could ad so much debt and strategy to this game are currently not viable.

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2014, 08:17 AMJaigen

You do realise that your counter cost 3 times more mp right?

The problem with both the t-34-85 and the e8 is that they over perform as AT tanks. if you look at the penetration rates both the e-8 and the t-34-85 nearly rivals that of the ami and soviet dedicated tank destroyers. So its easily capable of replacing either the jackson or the su85. Thats why you see the fucking spam: they are nearly as good as dedicated AI or AT tanks. The label jack of all trades cannot be applied to them. in sufficient numbers they become the master of all trades.

Increasing the fuel for these tanks will change nothing. i suggest we keep the fuel the same but decrease the penetration of both call ins to 120.

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2014, 14:26 PMKatitof

No, they don't, not even close.

Thing is, its always better to have numerous medium tanks then a single heavy. The firepower of multiple tanks alone is good enough reason. Thats why T34/85 was always more popular then IS-2.

There is also the extremely dated axis players mindset that if their tank got more then 200 armor it should roflstomp everything below IS-2.

Heavy tanks are strong and potent, but they won't stop the tank force of greater fuel cost, especially if its bolstered by doctrinal abilities like mark target and this have nothing to do with T34/85 or EZ8 price, but the axis mindset that "superior kurtz steel should not need any AT support".