OKW are potentially meant to have stronger units. They are not meant to have over performing units.
I don't really see the difference.In terms of cost-effectiveness and ability,Is current sturmpio strong?Is ober strong?Is KT is strong.Not really anymore.The only strong OKW units are Leig and JP4.And jagdtiger.
Its a faction with normal units but penalties. |
That's not how balance work. You fix things that are broken and you buff/nerf things that are imba.
It's meant to be used for ambush, not for an improvised smoke/cloak device. There's almost 0 cooldown to activate/deactivate and it re enters cloak after 5s (same time it takes for it to fire till vet 3).
Fix:
-Add a 5s cooldown upon activation
-Move in combat status from 5s to 10s
-Increase penetration by 25%
-Vet5: change 150% damage bonus to 75% damage bonus. Keep the insane 150% accuracy/penetration. This way it deals 280dmg instead of 400dmg.
I understand what you are trying to say,but the whole premise of the OKW faction is to have vet 5 and imba units to compensate for resource penalty.All its once strong units are nerfed,vet 5 is unattainable.JP4 is probably last remaining useful cost-effective tank they have,u want to nerf it go ahead.Question is why keep OKW at all under such circumstances?They get all the penalties,but no advantages anymore. |
A way to solve this issue is not necessarily with 5-men Gren/Pgren squads, but give Riflemen a 5th man at vet 2. Reduce cost to 260 mp, give Veteran Riflemen 5 men at vet 0, start them off at vet 1 like they are.
Still won't stand a chance lategame with current vet bonuses vs rifles or IS.No way to tiptoe around the issue.Grenadiers are obsolete. |
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The ability maybe ridiculous,but unless faction recieves big buffs its last remaining crutch can't be taken away.Might as well delete the faction altogether.
And sherman firefly tulip is equally ridiculous. |
Couple of things here. You tire me with your fan boy comments. You also cannot use attack ground, as was already pointed out, because the JT will fire at 60 range, you must close to 40, and then when you do he continues to back up since you have to stop to use attack ground. Overperforming units do not get a pass because the faction is weak. How do you hunt down an invisible tank in a faction with the most handheld AT, forward retreat points, and the cheapest and also cloakable AT guns again?
JT cloak is stupid as it is implemented. I like the mechanic, but the recloak rate is crazy fast. It is already extremely hard to hit (small target size), has amazing vet, can spot for itself, is relatively fast cloaked, and is available very early. The damage bonus at vet 5 is outright stupid, it already fires ridiculously quickly at that point and with the bonus damage it nullifies everything on wheels/treads. It should receive high accuracy and penetration out of cloak at vet 5.
Unit is in need of some changes to its vet, otherwise it makes good sense.
OKW requires some overperforming units to survive as faction as long as it has resource penalties by design.Remove res penalties and vet 5,u can then nerf cloak. |
Jesus Christ guys, USF can only build Riflemen while Wehrmacht give you an option to build T0 MG-42 and Grens. Combined Arms is they key in winning engagements.
That has nothing to do with insane vet bonuses which are not a factor earlygame.Immortal riflemen. |
Like Johnny and Zyllen?
Grens are SUPPOSED to be overwhelmed by other infantry if you spam them alone like a retard.
There are early potent support weapons for a reason accessible right off the bat to you as opposed to allied factions(except brits, who are equally dependent on supporting units as ost).
If you want to play with just basic infantry, play the faction that actually is designed to do so and protip: its not ostheer nor OKW.
You don't need wipe prone grens as support.Osttruppen much more cost-efficient and wipeproof,pzgrens do as much dmg as lmg grens,better survivability,better on the move,better at countering enemies trying to close and overrun the mgs.
So what good is gren for?If i want support i'll go with cheap osttruppen or costlier pzgren along with mg42 or combo of both.Grenadier is not needed with being a muni sink,poor survivability,can't fire on move and high reinforce costs. |
Ok grens suck because you said so
I'm not the only one saying it,many others are saying the same. |
+1
All aixe factions are good inuf
Ok ,because you said so. |
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Firefly tulip is batshit broken OP,but no threads on that.Literally one of the most broken abilities in the history of the franchise.
You can nerf JP4 when its range is made 60 and OKW gets buff. |
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