Profile of austerlitz

The reality of ostheer has been known for some time and was fully exposed at the tourney.The faction can't compete with its MP tech costs and bunch of useless early units.

because there are better doctrines or other issues (like jaeger infantry having 5 mun costing globals...). just because they're fine abilities doesn't mean there are not better ones.

Why not delete the commanders then?No one ever uses them anyway.

That really is the purpose of mgs.

We are in agreement that ost is the weakest faction, but it isn't because grens are wholly incapable of fighting rifles. If properly micro'd they can and will win.


If your mg gets flanked, you didn't mg correctly. It seems that the only points you have are that if you get out-played you lose. That is the way it is supposed to be, and wouldn't be much of a game without it.

And I am not sure how much clearer I could make it, grens win v rifleman at range. Do what you have to do to keep them away. This is literally no different to keeping a jackson at range to a kt, it is the exact same concept.

Using units to their strengths is the ENTIRE point of the game.

Three wrong statements here.
One the wehrmacht mg 42 doesn't do the job ur setting to it.Bad mobility,unreliable suppression speed,no damage and rifle smoke and ability to grenade while supprssed or kill gunner by dps alone.If u expect usf player to charge his whole rifle blob frontally at ur mg -u are assuming he is a noob.Even if u suppress 1-2 squads frontally others will flank,gren DPS and number inferiority will not be enough to stop them doing so and mg 42 suppression is so weak in dmg that rifle squad can lay under mg fire for quite same time without losing 1-2 members,even grenade mg.

Wrong flanking can happen simply because he will outnumber ur squads.How does he do this?MP tech disparity and free lieutenant,while ur desperately trying to get a pak and hoping ur 'wonderweapon' mg42 comes good.

Finally comparing jackson and KT to gren-rifle.Most silliest statement of all.Jackson has more range than KT.Jackson is WAAY more faster than KT.Neither of which is the case with grens vis-a -vis rifles,and thus they can't use the advantages possesed by jacksons against kt to keep rifles at arms length .The comparison is a joke.

i don't get why you think most of the abilities you pointed out are useless.

smoke screen is great. hard to use it defensively because you need to anticipate really far ahead, but can also be used offensively to block sites of at guns, TDs,

tactical movement, make your entire infantry force move faster for mere 40 muni. i find it really useful

command tank is really good against infantry and gives nice buff

artillery field officer's focus fire is awesome, and coordinated barage works well with other arty units, too.

Smoke screen is useless.Costs 50 munitions for a non-lethal ability.Worst of all plane arrives too slow,and ostheer can already use mortar smoke.It in no way makes the doctrine popular or increases useability.

Well tac movement is also more or less shit,because ostheer units excel at long-mid ranges.Closing gives little benefits and in no way makes it an attractive option.

Command tank is waay too pricey,if it was 100 fuel it would be attractive.A panzer4 over a command tank anyday.Unless i'm already fielding 3pz4s or 2 panthers.

Arty officer focus fire is not awesome ,its marginally useful and bleeds muni earlygame when u need lmg upgrades and shrecks.If it was as useful as u say u would see it more often.

All these marginal useful/useless units killing number of commanders and making for a stale meta.

I find that instead of introducing new commanders for the 2 original factions,the existing commanders that are barely used should be overhauled.I will try to give my list of overhauled ostheer commanders as a player of that faction.Invite soviet players to do the same.Many many useless doctrines are just stagnating the metagame.

Commanders needing change -

1]Festung support doctrine -
(current)
Mortar halftrack
Smoke bombs(useless)
Relief infantry(almost useless)
Lefh18(small buff)
Sector artillery

Options -By definition a defensive doctrine.
Change smoke bombs to give camoflage for paks.That will give this doctrine sorely lacking defensive AT power.
Change relief infantry -to make this doctrine really popular - veteran mg42 squad at 0/1cp.These will come with incendiary round available and be quite useful.Give a nice earlygame defensive option with vet mg 42 supported by mortar halftrack(which would delay teching and armor) but can be compensated by less vulnerable paks.Or artillery field officer to make use of lefh howitzer.

Tube arty in general is a seperate balance issue concerning all; factions.

2]Jaeger Infantry Doctrine
(current)
Ambush camoflage
g43
Tactical movement(almost useless)
Light artillery Barrage
Stuka Close support

Options - By definition an aggressive infantry play doctrine.
Remove tactical movement for stormtroopers.Since this is an infantry doctrine it needs an infantry unit,since it has no armor.
Or a call-in gren/osttruppen squad with a panzershreck to give this doctrine infantry AT to supplement g43 units alreday bleeding munitions.
The tactical movementability itself can recieve a small boost with a small recieved accuracy bonus while active(muni cost may be adjusted correspondingly)

3]Storm doctrine -
Description(The Storm Doctrine favors strategies that seek to overwhelm the enemy with fast-moving, hard-hitting Ostheer infantry power. Soften your opponent's defenses with artillery and blitz your grenadiers and panzergrenadiers into the gap!)Offensive infantry and arty apparently.
(current)
ambush camo
riegel anti tank mine
tactical movement
lefh18arty
stuka bombing strike

Add stormtroopers for ambush camo .Or add assault grenadiers for ambush camo.And add slight buff to muni cost and recieved accuracy when using tac movement.

Or keep ambush camo and replace tac movement with stormtroopers.

4]Blitzkrieg Doctrine
(current)
Panzer tactician
Recon overflight
Tactical movement(bad)
Command tank(bad)
Stuka Close support

Stug call-in for command tank
In place of tac movement -Either buffed tactical movement or stormtroopers or halftrack with pzgrens in it.Since this is 'blitzkrieg.Or an offensive infantry upgrade like g43.

5]German infantry Doctrine -Probably the most useless doctrine in game
(current)
Arty field officer(useless without lefh)
Tactical movement(useless,overuse of this skill)
relief infantry(mostly useless)
Frag bomb
Light infantry barrage

Main problem-no AT options.
Solve replace any of the 3 useless ones by either camoflaged pak ability or 1 shreck osttruppen/grenadier.
Replace artillery officer by assault grenadiers(if using camo pak on the other one)or vet 1 mg42.
I believe with pak40 nerfed cloak is no longer an issue.


6]German mechanized Doctrine -
(current)
LEFh18
smoke bombs(useless)
command tank(not useful for price)
spotting scope
LMG grenadier in halftrack

Replace smoke bombs with panzer tactician(combo of p.tactician and spotting scope MAY attarct people even without any call in armor or infantry or inf upgrade)
Command tank with stug